מי שיש קצת יראת שמים בלבבו, לא יקנה שום דבר משם, יש חששים גדולים בדיקת ירקות זה סתם חוזק שמה, הגוי יש לו מפתח וכבר תפסו אותו על חם כמה פעמים שמביא לשם דברים אסורים, הוועד הכשרות עושה משחק מהמשגיחים-בקיצור הגוי יכול לעשות מה שרוצה ואין פוצה פה-שני משגיחים טובים עזבו ה מקום בגלל אלו הדברים
OU לא היה נותן השגחה למקום כזה בשום פנים ואופן
Shockingly! The kosher certifier gave him back the keys to the place after the locks were changed because you couldn't operate the place as a reliable kosher restaurant. The kosher certifier is having second thoughts re: the keys (3 years late) & they want to take away the keys. The status of kashrus will still remain as stated above. NO CHANGE
After checking up on the current status of kashrus, you can rest assured that the not the OU nor the Kof-K would grant their kosher certification. There was very valid kashrus reasons that the other Mashgichim left from there.
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reb yudel ,
can you us just a bit of an insight of what is going on at that restaurant?
thanx
i posted last week if you can give us some insight as to whats going on there > just relying on your headlines is just not enough and i think you can appreciate this too.
Would you rely on a Kashrus headline with out some detail?
Isnt this under your Hashgocha
I walked out when the OK decided to give him back the keys after he was caught, They should have realy removed the Hashgocha at that time..
who officially is it under right now?
Officialy it's under the Chinese Owner & the OK participates.
Like the Ham & eggs- The has is commited while the chicken participated.
I know the Kashrus is very desirable "Leave a lot to desire".
Keep out!
March 14, 2006
RABBANUTE: THROAT-RIPPING WITH HOOK ON LIVE ANIMALS IS OKAY – AS LONG AS GENTILE DOES RIPPING – US LAW HUMANE SLAUGHTER LAWS DO NOT MATTER
Matthew Wagner of the Jerusalem Post reports in today's JPost.com ePaper:
The head of the Chief Rabbinate's international ritual slaughter
division said he would permit the import of meat from AgriProcessors
Inc. of Postville, Iowa, despite a US Agriculture Department report that
found the slaughterhouse in violation of animal cruelty laws.
Rabbi Ezra Raful said, "In the case of AgriProcessors, there is no
halachic problem."
"For some people, what happens in a slaughterhouse looks pretty
gruesome. But that does not make it non-kosher," he said.
Raful said AgriProcessors, the only US slaughterhouse authorized to
export to Israel, halted exports to Israel several years ago for
commercial reasons. He said renewing export to Israel might not even
require a routine investigation to verify that slaughter methods met
Israeli standards.
"Rabbi Shimon Zeidof is head of the slaughter team at AgriProcessors
Inc., said Raful. "He is known and respected by us. We have worked with
him in the past."
Conditions at AgriProcessors triggered a controversy in late 2004,
when People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) placed on its
Internet site video footage taken clandestinely inside the plant.
The gruesome footage showed workers using metal hooks to pull out
the slaughtered, but still conscious, animals' tracheas and esophagus,
in an attempt to sever their carotid arteries.
Normally the severing of these arteries, which cuts off blood to the
brain and causes the animal to lose consciousness almost immediately,
takes place during the shehita [ritual slaughtering]. Cutting the
arteries also facilitates the removal of blood, prohibited for
consumption according to Jewish law, and prevents discoloring of the
meat.
The US Humane Slaughter Act of 1978 requires stunning in all
American slaughterhouses, but makes an exception for religious
slaughter, as long as the animal's neck is cut swiftly and no "carcass
dressing" is performed before the animal is insensible, according to The
New York Times, which reported on the Agriculture Department's findings
Friday. The use of hooks violated this US law.
After a six-month investigation, the Agriculture Department
suspended one of its own inspectors for 14 days and issued warning
letters to two others, a department spokesman told the Times. The
investigation ended last April, but the report was only released to PETA
after months of requests under the US Freedom of Information Act.
The department's Inspector-General's Office forwarded its report to
federal prosecutors, but "based on the information presented to us, we
decided there was not a prosecutable case," said Robert Teig, a deputy
US attorney for the Northern District of Iowa.
Raful said Jewish law permitted a non-Jew to use a hook to sever an
animal's carotid arteries, as long as most of the trachea and esophagus
were severed by the shochet [ritual slaughterer].
He said that if a Jew used the hook, the slaughter was not kosher
because of the halachic principle of marit ayin - the mistaken
impression that the ripping of the arteries with a hook was part of the
Jewish slaughtering process.
This issue would not arise if a non-Jew ripped out the artery, since
a non-Jew is disqualified from performing shehita (ritual slaughter).
Raful said he had been informed by sources in AgriProcessors that only
non-Jews performed the ripping.
Raful said it was unfair to apply subjective criteria of cruelty to
shehita.
"For me it is terribly cruel to boil a lobster live or to fry a live
shrimp or freeze a fish live. It depends on what you are used to. It's
all very subjective.
"But the Torah is not subjective and the same Torah that prohibits
cruelty to animals allows shehita," he said.…
Every claim of the humaneness of shechita (Jewish ritual slaughter) made by Orthodox rabbis in the last 100 years has been based on the schochet (ritual slaughterer) swiftly and painlessly severing the carotids and jugular vein. And every one of those claims are false. The halakha (Jewish law) that allows shechita to be kosher if only the greater parts of the trachea and esophogus are severed is based on a faulty understanding of large animal biology dating to medieval times. Yet Orthodox rabbis – who have lied about shechita for more than 100 years, including during sworn testimony before government bodies and courts – are more than willing to allow this animal torture, even though the science of the issue – and the law – are both clear.
Rubashkin's rabbis allowed and endorsed the intentional violation of Humane Slaughter law. How can they be trusted with kashrut?
How about the ehrliche mashgiach temidi who sits there all day?
I thought he was reliable.
What is the story with him?
from what i understand , the yeshiva serves rubashkin.
we gotta go make a macha . we gotta put a stop to this . we need to make a big macha by going to the roshey yeshiva and mashgiach , and fill them in to what is really going on. i dont believe for one minute that our halege roshey yeshivos would eat rubashkin if they knew what is going on. besides , raful is giving the ok to the meat but little does he mention that he would NOT eat this meat because it is not bais yosef shechita.
it cant go on like this!!
Eat in the Mashgiach's house as there he & his erliche Mishpacha can control it.
A Mashgiach in this type of restaurant has to be 10 steps ahead.
if you are talking about the mashgiach i saw there, he looks very tired and disheveled, had his head down many times when i was there
He is an erliche תלמוד חכם
but I need a sharp ....
The OK doesn't back their משגיחים
Chof K restaurants are not Chof K, they are licensed to Gissinger.
From where does Gissinger have a mayseh rav to give hashgocho on the Carvel ice cream store on Ave N in The Flatlands section of Brooklyn that is not cholov Yisroel?
what does gissinger's rebbe rav abadi say about cholov stam?
No wonder they had the best Chinese food
how come the queens vaad spotlight guy didnt post 300 comments yet about the queens vaad
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