NOTE: CHOLOV STAM IS REALLY CHOLOV AKUM .
CHOLOV-AKUM IS REALLY "CHOLOV-TREIF" DUE TO THE PROCEDURED COWS as I heard from Rav Eliyashev, Shlita "THERE IS NO HETER".
NOTE: All poiskim have declared that the procedures used by the Vets [DA's, C-Section, Bloating, etc], "DO" make the cows "TREIF".
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Please be advised that the following four Sabra Fresh Dips (Sabra Dipping Company) are Dairy (Cholov Stam), and are correctly labeled OK-D Cholov Stam:
Sauteed Onion
Spicy Pepper
Tzitziki
Garlic and Herb.
Please take note and be careful when purchasing these items.
The previous alert can be cited with the URL: http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/?alert=A2945
NOTE: All poiskim have declared that the procedures used by the Vets [DA's, C-Section, Bloating, etc], "DO" make the cows "TREIF".
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Please be advised that the following four Sabra Fresh Dips (Sabra Dipping Company) are Dairy (Cholov Stam), and are correctly labeled OK-D Cholov Stam:
Sauteed Onion
Spicy Pepper
Tzitziki
Garlic and Herb.
Please take note and be careful when purchasing these items.
The previous alert can be cited with the URL: http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/?alert=A2945
26 comments:
Made in the same plant as the pareve stuff?
> "THERE IS NO HETER".
I guess R' Eyashiv SHLITA never heard of R' Moshe Feinstein.
Reb moshe also "assered" the procedured cows-It's in the code of Jewish Law
What are procedured cows and what do you mean by "treif"?
terinary procedires e.g. DA's, Bloating, C section, etc all of those may make the cow a "treifa" and there is never shishim in the herds.
What about all the products with a OU-D or a CHOF-K-D on them? Can they no longer be eaten? What's their Heter?
Rabbi Shain please answer my last post. Thanks.
According to all of the major poiskim, including Rav Eliyashev, Rav Wosner etc "it's ossur to consume" the cholov akum because it's cholov treif. In Germany it's different because all of the procedured cows are sent off to the slaughter houses.
Those claiming some sort of heter, has no basis as it's based on eroneous facts & halacha, per my discussion with Rav Eliyashev.
According to you Rav Belsky and the OU are being nichshol possibly millions of Jews. That's basically what you are saying. Can't R Belsky argue on R Elyashiv I would venture to say when it comes to Kashrus Rav Belsky knows more than him. He has been running a Kashrus organization for years and has taken a very active and involved role in the goings on of the Kashrus world. Looking forward to your reply Rabbi Shain.
We are talking straight Halacha "code of Jewish law". Rav Eliyashev says that R' Belsky is creating facts that don't exist, etc. Rav eliyashev told me "don't call it psak, as it's not based on facts & Halacha-Call it "a HETER" that can't be relied upon. end of quote!!!
I guess your 'chicken shayles' and your 'mixed up a spoon shayles' all go to reb Eliashev and/ or Rav Wosner.
FYI there are many local Rabbonim in the world, and many local people abide by their rulings.
You can't then go and say that so and so Rabbi said it is a mistake,
a wrong p'sak etc.
If you asked Reb Eliyashev or others to repasken shayles and issues, the odds are they'll say
'it was already paskened, why are you askng this again'...
I'm flabbergasted! I can't catch my breath here! The OU IS BEING NICHSHOL people who aren't on top of kashrus hock. This is terrible. I was Mekabel to bli neder not eat Chalov Stam until the situation is remedied. I'm reeling from this. So I ate Traif 1000's of times! Oy! Can the Kashrus agencies like OU CHOFK...which give hechsherim on cholov stam be trusted for other things or are they untrustworthy across the borad. Lately I have been hearing things about the OU sets really shocking me. Or it only shocks me because I'm starting to look in to what is going on in Kashrus and it makes me sick to my stomache that there's no yiras shomayim.
Anonymous said...
I guess your 'chicken shayles' and your 'mixed up a spoon shayles' all go to reb Eliashev and/ or Rav Wosner.
FYI there are many local Rabbonim in the world, and many local people abide by their rulings.
You can't then go and say that so and so Rabbi said it is a mistake,
a wrong p'sak etc.
If you asked Reb Eliyashev or others to repasken shayles and issues, the odds are they'll say
'it was already paskened, why are you askng this again'...
Mon Jan 11, 01:44:00 PM 2010
YOU AREN'T A "Mamin in Torah Mi'sinai", So you have issues with halacha which is caused by the timtum-halev- I feel bad for you NEBECH.
RABBI SHAIN,
1. Have you personally discussed this with R' Belsky? I still have a hard time believing that he would be nichshol the Rabbim. That's just a STUPENDOUSLY HUGE accusation.
2. If what you say is true, can OU BE TRUSTED for anything or are they totally passul?
What about ChofK and others who have a D label?
Thanks for your reply.
to: Mon Jan 11, 03:36:00 PM 2010
You seem to be "Mamin in..." all is NO good unless I get $$$ or Koovid and then its all kosher.
You ask and ask and ask until you hear what you want to hear and then the whole world are not "Mamin..."s because I don't like what the other poisek said.
NEBECH on who?
aLL OF THE OTHER CERTIFIERS ARE RELYING ON THAT "HETER", WHICH IS BUILT ON TESHUVA THAT Rabbi Belsky wrote המשך יבא it WAS never FINISHED (IT'S 13 YEARS). ALSO built ON A מציאות that does not match up with the facts & the halacha.The OU is more than welcome to ask Rav Eliyashev himself.
Rabbi Shain,
The OU doesn't have to ask Rav Elyashiv anything. They have the most Knowledgeable Rav in Rav Belsky saying its mutar. If Rav Belsky is the one you have issue with you should have taken it up with him directly instead of "running" to the EY Rabbonim. I find it quite peculiar that you didn't take it up with Rav Belsky personally if you do this Lshem Shomayim and for the good of the public. Why are you scared of asking Rav Belsky directly?
The Posek Hador is Rav Eliyashev wether you like it or not. The "HETERIM" are just that not based on the relevant facts & their Halacha. Rav Belsky does not intend to finish the written teshuvah, we all know why. The Litvishe Roshei yeshiva E.g. Rav Shechter, Rav Birenbaum etc asked Rav Belsky for the rest of the teshuva "as the OU et al can't rely on an finished teshuvah". He refused to finish it (13+ years already). Rav Eliyashev knows the score. You must be acting out of timtum ha'leiv.
When one Lakewood yungerman confronted Rav Belsky about when he will finish the teshuva, he gave him some lame excuse about "meshogoyim" bothering him all the time that distract him from his work.
I know that rabbonim have spoken to Rav Belsky for hours on end about his dubious heterim and I don't know of anyone who agrees with him.
How can we even trust someone like Rav Belsky who was caught lying in the name of the former Chaim Berlin rosh yeshiva in Far Rockaway in regards to a bogus bittul kiddushin? And even though pretty much all the gedolim from Rav Elyashev on down blasted him in letters, he has the gall to go around lying to rabbonim that Rav Elyashev "actually agrees" with him.
Rabbi Belsky doesn't have time to finish halacha teshuvos about the status of the entire world's cholov stam supply, but he makes time to harass askonim trying to protect children from abuse by intimidating them with hazmonos from his private beis din.
Reb Yudel, The following letter may shed some light.{li'hoitzei-mi'libun-shell-tzi'doikim}
21 Iyur 758 [May 8, '98]
L'kovod Moreinu V'rabeinu ... Harav Hagaon Reb Yosef Sholom Eliashiv Shlita,
Regarding the Get received by Chaya Rubin nee Mund of Montreal from her husband Avraharn Rubin of Brooklyn by force. I was a participant on this beth din jointly with Rabbi Israel Belsky, Aryeh Ralbag,... Subsequently I resigned from the beth din ... being convinced that there is no Halachic basis to exercise force, and the Get which was arranged by force is a coerced Get and Mrs. Chaya Rubin is forbidden to remarry ... To my great astonishment, I received by mail a
Psak written by Ralbag, and was requested to sign it permitting coercion [of the husband). I earnestly studied Ralbag's Psak and found it worthless ... In summary, the decision of Ralbag has no basis and may not be relied upon ... The woman may not remarry.
Regarding the response sent by Rabbi Belsky in defense of the decision to compel [a Get], I was shocked to read this response which contains altered facts, false testimony, and expressions of his personal imagination. The truth must be reported that Rabbi Belsky forged all the facts and testimony ... Rabbi Belsky's imagination lead him to fabricate a decision on matters that never occurred ... need I go on?
I have fixed my signature in Honor of the Torah with respect and admiration.
Eliyyhu Pesach Rominek
[Former Rosh Yeshiva, Rabbi Chaim Berlin]
Regarding the response sent by Rabbi Belsky in defense of the decision to compel [a Get], I was shocked to read this response which contains altered facts, false testimony, and expressions of his personal imagination. The truth must be reported that Rabbi Belsky forged all the facts and testimony ... Rabbi Belsky's imagination lead him to fabricate a decision on matters that never occurred ... need I go on?
I have fixed my signature in Honor of the Torah with respect and admiration.
Eliyyhu Pesach Rominek
[Former Rosh Yeshiva, Rabbi Chaim Berlin]
WOW!, Yudel you are on very solid ground-Don't budge.The EMES will triumph.
So bottom line according to yidel, if there would be the Sanhedrin now, others may be labeled and charged as a zokun mamrei.
Because of all these shenanigans, a good chunk of the Torah Vodaas board wants to get rid of Rabbi Belsky and even the Agudah has not let him speak at any event since.
Rabbi Belsky is still protected at YTV, mainly by a big gvir (who was jailed for fraud in the 1970s). This gvir was the one who paid him the $250,000 to arrange the bogus bittul kiddushin for the young woman from Scheinerman's shul. Rabbi Belsky only backed down from that one after he got blasted by dozens of gedolei rabbonim.
Seeker of Truth,
I don't know where you've been the past two and a half years or so but this issue of cholov stam/cholov akum/cholov treife has been debated ad nauseum. To put it simply, the OU is relying on sfeikos that simply don't exist. The incidence of DA cows today on the dairy farms range from 5%-15%. This is a FACT. As you well know, you need a percentage of less than 1.6666% (shishim) to matir this milk. Another FACT: The veterinary procedure on these cows renders these cows VADDAI TREIFE! THERE IS NO SAFEIK! The OU wants to use smoke and mirrors to cover up for all those treife products for which they receive handsome compensation for their logo. Trust Rav Yudel on this who has no ulterior motive here. CHOLOV STAM=CHOLOV TREIFE!
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