Of course it's a Pesach oat matzo issue.
The ones that are involved in making pesach oat matzos don't want to talk about the process of the steaming.
[From a University professor-"Before flaking processed oats are steamed. The heat and moisture improves flaking but also inactivates enzymes that can cause rancidity and other off flavors. Steaming is for 12-15 minutes and the oat temp rises from ambient to 210 – 220 F". ]There is another issue re: bishul akum. After the oats are steamed, they are techinically edible albeit not al shulchan milochim, so that may be a bishul akum issue.
The Minchas Yitzchok address the issues in chelek gimel, siman 72.
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Uh oh! Is this another Westheim issue? Aren't the only oat matzos under him or is that the spelt or both?
Is anyone cholek on the Minchas Yitzchok? I think there is even a machkoles if doughnuts are a bishul akum shayle and doughnuts should be a bigger problem than steaming.
Speaking of oats, a division of Quaker Oats under OU has rice with chicken. Quaker Oats and the OU refuse to say if it is Rubashkin with the phony excuse that it is a "trade secret".
What happened to rav badatz Manchester? For years I understood that it was a excellent hashgocha. Am I wrong? Was I always wrong?
If its not 'oleh al shulchan melachim' then wahts the issue?
The kestenbaum gluten free oat matzos are NOT STEAMED, that is a fact. They are less than 5ppm gluten and the most mnehudar matzos available
Kestenbaum took his wheat from a place in Europe, this is from the USA. Second here is a quote
"We have been informed by Dayan Westheim shlit"a that these matzos have been produced for Pesach 5771/2011 using oats that have not been heat treated prior to their being used for matza production. This means that according to all opinions, these matzos will be fit for the mitzvah of Achilas Matza at the Seder."
So first of all the other years it was heated, second how do they get rid of the bitterness without heating?
Perhaps it's heated in a way that they feel it does not compromise the kashrus, but the kosher consumer is entitled to know the facts so he can present it to his Rav for a "psak".
I feel sorry for Rav Westheim if that mysterious gvir pays for another lab investigation and it comes back that the oats are steamed as when it came back confirmed that Haribo gummy candies contain treif beef gelatin.
sorry for your loss
Shame on you Reb Yudel!
http://www.glutenfreeoatmatzos.com/about.html
Oats have a very bitter enzyme and are normally injected with steam in the groat stage to eliminate the bitterness which of course makes oats chometz. As we could not inject steam the matzos therefore had a very unpleasant taste, but people who could not otherwise keep the mitzvah were still grateful to have them. In due course we overcame this problem by special cleaning, grinding and milling numerous times.
Shame on you Reb Yudel!
You were adequately answered last year,and you had no rebuttal to offer, yet you still insist on recycling your baseless accusations.
Don't bother me with the facts, I've already made up my mind!
http://www.jerusalemkoshernews.com/2011/03/public-service-message-%E2%80%93-organic-spelt-oat-matzos/
Yehoshua P. says:
March 30, 2011 at 00:38
In response to Yudel Shain: No oat matzoh is steamed. Oats by nature have bitter enzymes which are normally extracted through steam. The reason why oat matzos often have a bitterness to them is for this reason. Kestenbaum matzos do not steam their oats. They used to use some form of heat process to the kernels to remove the bitterness, but they stopped doing it this year. I do not beleive their heating of the kernels presented any shaila of chometz, rather, the shaila would be if the flour cannot be machmitz after the process then there would be a problem being yotzeh achilas matzoh with flour that can’t be machmitz. Lakewood matzos don’t do anything to their grains. It is possible that what they meant was minimizing the time from the grinding to the baking, not harvesting to baking. After all, being that their matzos were baked only two weeks ago, had the cutting taken place just prior to this, there would be a chodosh issue with their matzos. Lakewood matzos are yoshon!
Reb Yudel, is there any issues with spelt?
how do we know that modern oats is of the chamashes minei dagan...
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