There has been a series of advertisements to convice the kosher consumer that somehow in green houses there are no insects. well it's a falacy, Just about every green house in Israel and other areas were inspected by experts and found there are insects in green houses. They may be more controlable "especially with many toxic chemicals", but they don't either have the benefit of the natural predators that devour the insects.
Spinach isn't grown in hot houses. Strawberries aren't grown in hot houses. Yet we see those same distributors selling spinach, & strawberries.
Frozen only makes it much harder to inspect them & realize they aren't completly insect free. Washing & brushing strawberries do not clean ANY of the insect hiding under the seeds (even a wash cloth). The washing of spinach, lessens the incidence but does not eliminate.Therefore the proper method for consuming those vegetables is to purchase nice fresh brocolli, cut off all of the florets, wash check the stems & cook. The nutrients are in the stalk, the protein that's in the florets are not permitted, get your protein somewhere else.
The above method has been recomended by some of the public speakers e.g Rabbi Eisen among them.
Strawberries- cut off the stem & leaves with a sliver of fruit. Either peel the strawberry or wash a few times with soap, then puree and cook.
RE; Mites- They aren't finding them, not that they aren't there.
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Some species of mites are microscopic. How big are the ones you are referring to?
Mites that are nirreh to the eyes of someone with good eye sight. The Mishnah Berurah brings the Chasam sofer that it must be one TRAINED in inspecting as well.
Can you please list what IS acceptable,the company that produces that product,and the hashgacha. Thank you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/health/policy/01food.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
Senate Passes Overhaul of Food Safety Regulations
Do mites wash right off or do they dig in like thrips?
http://www.thejewishweek.com/special_sections/celebrate/crown_heights_upper_crust
When the New York Times Magazine ran a prominent story about Basil Pizza & Wine Bar, a kosher restaurant in Crown Heights, writer Frank Bruni told of the place’s ambiance & its efforts to bring together Jews & their non-Jewish neighbors.
Basil looks more like Rome than Crown Heights. But photos of the Lubavitcher rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneeerson, underline the Chabad presence.
Branover wanted to create a place where people of different backgrounds could dine together. He found that even in Israel, where Arabs & Jews have wide differences & “more reasons for animosity,” individuals had more to do with each other than Jews & blacks in Crown Heights. In Israel, his mother worked as a pediatrician serving Arab villages, and was frequently invited to share meals with the families she served, something that doesn’t happen in New York. “When you break bread,” Branover says, “you break barriers.”
Clara Perez, the manager, says that Sunday afternoons are a popular time for neighborhood people to stop by after church.
Her full head of dark hair almost looks like the sheitels, wigs, of Orthodox women. But she’s Catholic, and an admirer of the rebbe & Jewish traditions. She has worn the photo since her daughter was very ill & recovered.
They have a mashgiach on premises & while the Times article suggested surveillance of diners by kosher certifying authorities, Branover & Perez say that’s not the case.
“If a yeshiva boy starts talking to a beautiful waitress, I tell my waitresses to say they are busy.”
While he says he’s in no way a spokesman for Chabad, Daniel Branover feels that this sort of outreach is in keeping with the rebbe’s teachings
Rabbi Eisen in his speeches says "you should buy fresh brocolli, cut away the florets (throw them out) and use the healthy stalks.
Does that mean "hopefully" that 5 towns, Kehila, Vaad of Queens, etc will stop all of these prechecked florets? about time.
The Queens Vaad to stop using broccoli? Are you kidding? Their modern orthodox constituents would have a fit which is why they wouldn't let Chaim Schwartz implement such a thing.
According to workers in the stores, they are not even using frozen with hashgocho. They are doing something even worse in using fresh broccoli which they have the mashgiach "check" for bugs.
Did you hear how we stabbed poor Rav Goldberg of the Flatbush Vaad in the back? After he was physically assaulted by the owner of Kings Highway Glatt, we told him we were dropping the store as well, only to pull a fast one and keep it.
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21002883713164/
Could have fooled us
Come on, VHQ, cough up the facts.
November 24, 2010.
Please be advised that Kosher Emporium, Plainview, NY is no longer certified by the Vaad Harabonim of Queens.
http://kosherfoodemporium.com/KOSHER_FOOD_EMPORIUM/SUPERVISION.html
VHQ
Kehillah & Rabbi Goldberg don't like each other very much. Especially after the scandal with the restaurant on Nostrand Ave 5 or 6 years ago where they accused each other of lying. Rabbi Goldberg says there were kashrus problems. Kehillah says lahadam that Rabbi Goldberg was shaking the place down for money. It's hard to know who to believe sometimes.
Anonymous Posked that you can't use fresh broccoli even if it is checked in accordance with all major hashgachas.
If you use broccoli, your posul for eidus, your a mumar to eat treifus
and worst of all, your out of the Queens Vaad Playgroup (QVP) acted and directed by Spotlight the headmaster.
Rabbi Goldberg of the Vaad Harabonim of Goldberg was beaten up ?
What took so long ?
your energies on this website are misplaced against VHQ its the VHF thats as Bob Grant used to say on the radio " A fake Phony and a Fraud".
Who else beside the menuval Bernie is wife and son sit on the Vaad ?
http://decisions.courts.state.ny.us/fcas/FCAS_docs/2007FEB/30010050220062SCIV.pdf
This is an odd lawsuit. After Gateways made Pesach 2006 at the Westin hotel in Stamford, Rabbi Pesach Ashen who is a maggid shiur in YU sued the hotel & the rav hamachshir R' Nesanel Sommers.
Anyone can please provide the information as why Rabbi Pinchas Ashen sued the Wesin Hotel & Rabbi Sommer?
Anyone with the site?
REB YUDEL
CAN WE USE THE OIL FROM HERRING TO LIGHT CHANUKA CANDLES
OR THE BUGS INSIDE MAKES IT A MITZVA HABA BAVEIROH
The Queens Vaad operative who impersonates Spotlight is a liar.
The OU does not allow a mashgiach in a take out food store to pick up the closest head of fresh broccoli to inspect on the spot as if it's a leaf of iceberg lettuce.
The frozen broccolis under hashgocho might not be to R' Yudel's standard or eliminate all the bugs but they employ a multi-step process that cannot be duplicated with a simple lightbox.
Everyone knows the Flatbush Vaad is full of lowlives but once Rabbi Goldberg was given complete control of the kashrus division it doesn't matter much except that he naively believes everything Star K tells him.
There is incidentally a Queens Vaad tie in to Flatbush. As was reported in the NY Daily News, Rabbi Sidney Applebaum from Flatlands Ave was the original shutef in the Queens cemetery scandals with Ohel treasurer David Jacobson before his sudden departure made room for Queens Vaad's Elchonon Zohn to come along. Applebaum was lining his pockets from the keren yesomim and fled to Israel when Attorney General Louis Lefkowitz was tipped off. Once safe from arrest in Israel, Applebaum sold the shul building without permission of the members.
Wed Dec 01, 09:45:00 AM 2010
D--E--E--E--E--F--E--N--S--E.
The playgroups headmaster is on a rampage. Watch him all charged up and trying some 'offensive' tactics.
Wed Dec 01, 10:11:00 AM 2010
Now its from the cemetery to the shul. It sounds like a good 'gilgul' tale.
fresser, its interesting to note, i don't know if its true' but i was told that years later after maseh R' Eisen from Kehila referred people who asked about that restaurant on nostrand to R' Goldberg to answer question why would he tell ppl to call R' Goldberg if his letter is hanging up?
http://web.archive.org/web/20021015235843/http://www.jewishinterest.com/MokomSholom/fisher.htm
Here is one article about Flatbush Vaad's Sidney Applebaum laying the groundwork for the Queens Vaad to keep stealing and be mevaze kevorim.
Chutzpah that Applebaum tried to sue his old kehilla after he already sold the building without permission
Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 033119/1998
Case Name: APPLBAUM,SIDNEY, RABBI vs. CONGREGATION BETH JUDAH
Rabbi Eisen is not Kehillah. He is an outside consultant to Kehillah.
R' Yosef Eisen may have changed his mind about the Nostrand restaurant when he found out what little credibility Scheinerman has after what he did to Rav Halberstam (Kings Hwy & E. 33rd) and the mishpochos using the mikva at that shul. When Scheinerman added the new wing to his own shul with a competing mikva, he was motzee shem ra on Rav Halberstam's mikva without even looking at it and manipulated some gedolei haposkim like R' Dovid Feinstein. An assifah of 40 Brooklyn rabbonim got together to repudiate Scheinerman, including Rav Eisen. The assifah was also a repudiation of sorts on what Scheinerman did to a very elderly rabbi. Scheinerman was involved in putting this rabbi in cherem and if my information is correct, it is the most ridiculous reason I have ever heard to put someone in cherem.
Eisen & Kehila is kulah chad. Rabbi eisen has additional kulahs, so it makes Kehila look good.
Rabbi Eisen, you gotta admit is a great speaker, limaaseh? nu, nu. A lot of 5 Towners don't rely, but they also love his speaches.
You keep attacking Rabbi Eisen over unspecified kulos.
What kulos does he hold by that we can check it out and decide for ourselves?
visit his food services places with you eyes open, no sunglasses either. Talk to the mashgichim, do a thorough inspection. You'll say, wow, I'm sure he doesn't know what's going on in these places. But don't throw him under the bus.
Food service as in nursing homes? Many hashgochos are maykel in these places that are full of alter freyer Yidden. It's not right but it's common practice all over.
"...and if my information is correct..."
With a reservation like the above, you have no right to talk about anybody by name.
If you information turns out to be wrong, then what?? You already buried him.
Does R' Yudel agree with this criticism of Rav Eisen? I get very suspicious whenever he is criticized as there are many groups with agendas out to get him.
The modern orthodox in the 5 Towns hate him for his chumros.
Some with a vested interest hate him over his tough stance in the Gourmet Glatt scandal.
People who hate R' Yankel Reisman hate him as an associate.
The major hashgochos hate him because he criticizes them in shiurim.
He is hated by some for being one of the few people with the guts to point out the flaws with certain Brooklyn hashgochos when other rabbonim who know the truth retreat in silence like cowards.
He has been attacked on the blogs by the Chofetz Chaim yeshiva crowd, something to do with Rabbi Chait.
It seems that recently his neighbors at the Queens Vaad have also taken to criticizing him on the blogs because he is competition.
I have even heard him come under attack from people who knew him in Torah Vodaas simply because they don't like him.
I do a lot of listening, I keep my ear to the ground and gather information re: kashrus. I meet & talk to others in the field, sometimes mashgichim, other employees, etc. Eventually I get the picture, of course with siyata di'shmayah.
For the Scheinerman chussid accusing me of "rechilus", everyone knows the elderly rabbi was put in cherem by a so called beis din. The rabbi was not directly involved in the din Torah they were sitting on. They called him in and asked him where is your relative that disappeared. He said I cannot tell you. For this they put him in cherem. Maybe the roshei kollel from Lakewood can tell us if a beis din has any right to do this.
So you mean to say because the modern orthodox among others attack him, so he keeps his standards kind of low, I thought so.
How much time did he spend in the hot foodservice kitchens to get a first hand knowledge of the operation? I'm not talking about spent in the office. I know he was responsible at the OU for writing reports and guidelines on foodservice. Without spending a lot of sweat time in the hot kitchens, the guidelines are not based on fact, it's based on theory. It's like the engineer knows how he would like it work, the repairman knows how it does actually work. So you would ask all your questions to the repairman not the engineer, & rely on him.
i wonder if r' yossi eisen might even have enemies from the scandal with lefkowitz's kollel depending on whose side he was on. when lefkowitz's son decided he should move to lakewood for his kids' chinuch the father stopped paying the yungerleit with zero notice
Wise guy, Rabbi Eisen with backup from Rabbi Reisman did not bend under withering attack from the modern orthodox. If there are kashrus problems, the modern orthodox don't know and still think he is the biggest machmir around.
Rav Scheinerman has yichus, he married into a family. His knowledge or his reliability is not what we are comfortable with.
What shaichus does he have to kashrus? he's just a tumller & he married into the family-That's it.
With family est men kigel.
Don't try to sell me Rabbi ?, you should have seen the disaster of his ARK hashgochas, good thing it's closed up. His partner in ARK was none other than the Mashgiach for the Monsey Finkel episode.
Hey shain
Stop the BULL#@?/
You have your ear to the ground so you can kiss the nirabator's @#?/
Rav Scheinerman's shaychis to kashrus is when he gets up at the bima shabbos nacht to tell the shul bekoil rom about the latest silly shayle he called to eretz yisroel to bother Rav Elyashiv like pizza with imitation pepperoni. And he wants to sound yeshivish so he mispronounces pepperoni as paparazzi when he tells over the story!
It's true that ARK was a disaster but Reisman fort pushed for a better standard at V5T&FR. It's like when the Agudah decides which molesters to protect & which ones to take down.
R' Yudel,
Foodservice is more complex than stam kashrus as you know. That's why a respected posek in NY who eats from take out stores and bakeries under certain hashgochos will not eat from those same hashgochos at catered simchos in a hall. So far I don't hear that 5 Towns is worse than the others.
Ask the Nirbater about that. Does he ever hang up the phone on you? Does he attack you on the phone?
Does he avoid responding to question? (only sometimes)
Does he lie? I don't think so.
I'm sure you heard the saying that they don't wait for the Rav Hamachshir by "krias-Shema", vail-err-kimt-nisht-uhn-tzim-emmes.
Was not said about him.
Sure he may try to justify the interests of the ones that pay him, but not like a toen or a Zablah dayan at a Din Torah.
With some more prodding, he will come around quicker than anyone else you know.
Am I happy about all of his standards? the one word answer is NO!.
Have you considered that R' Eisen has gotten hands on experience since leaving his desk job at the OU? And give him credit for being the only one besides R' Goldberg who will go on the record about R' Gornish unlike the others who only whisper quietly to their own mishpochos not to eat from him.
Does he lie... I don't think so.
What kind of answer is that ?!?
If he was a straight shooter, then you would say the answer is NO!
ELEH MAI ........
Rabboi Goldberg from Flatbush, is farkoift to the Star-K because he learned shechita there. So all low kashrus standards of the Star-K is mehudar by him. So don't rely on the Vaad of Flatbush for anything.
At Agri-Star (Hershy friedman's place) Goldberg would rely on Meisel's but not on Tartikuv. Did Tartikuv step on his toes re: a hashgocha? Or a Star-K fallout.
His decissions are not kashrus based. That is a dangerous way of running a kashrus organization.
Would you rely for kashrus on one that their standards are not based on kashrus?
Rabbi Goldberg would not allow Dole lettuce for years. He kept telling the Star K they are not up to standard. One day the Star K comes along and says ok we improved things because of you. He believed them and started using it. A rov told me he believes the Star K is lying to Rabbi Goldberg.
Rabbi Goldberg stopped taking anything from Postville including Rav Meisels after Friedman went to court against Weissmandl. Rabbi Goldberg trusts Weissmandl on Rubashkin in South America because he is not aware what these characters are capable of.
It's possible that he doesn't trust Badatz Tartikov because of the treif hotdog scandal on 13th Ave.
The only politics I have seen by Rabbi Goldberg is when he penalizes people for non-kashrus policy violations.
Give him credit for pulling his hashgocho when stores get bad violations from the Health Dept. The others are hiding behind excuses because they don't want to lose the money.
Rabbi Shain, if you give your credentials, you can find out the real story for us.
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