Party planners are never under any Hashgocha
Party-Planners- Can a hashgocha control them? We doubt it.
Rented equipment:
Pop corn machines- others may use butter & then used for fleishig party.
Chocolate machine- was used with dairy chocolate then used for fleishig affair.
Hot-dog machine- used for any brand hot dogs previously.
Candies, cakes, etc from anyplace.
Dishes, utensils from anyplace.
Reb Dovid Feinstein, Shlita said "A party planner on a shabbos event without chilul shabbos?, I don't think it can happen".
All Party-Planners must be under a strong Hashgocha, or don't use them.
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There is a machloh by Queens Vaad shuls that members are renting all kind of goyishe places for birthday parties like play gyms and dance schools.
Just one example. For the birthday party of a child of a VHQ shul VP, they were machshil the rabim by using the place's cotton candy machine. My wife made sure to check the candy mix which had hashgocho but didn't think that the machine is owned by the goyim and treif. As soon as I realized what was going on, I grabbed the cotton candy away from my kid who only had one bite. Fortunately, because my kid got the last portion to come out, most of the mamashus was mistam cleaned out already.
Another note about cotton candy. One brand that is kosher and used a lot is from the Tri-State Kehillah Kashrus (Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia). This guy is openly Meshichist!
Every party planner that I ever came across in Boro Park Flatbush was a real teefa Hungarian lady. A lot of Hungarian women including chassidisher know little about kashrus and are mechalel Shabbos around the kitchen. Some just don't care even when they know. One lady from Munkatch was not only hiding her favorite Haagen Dazs ice cream away from view in the back of the freezer but she was drinking coffee in any goyish place in their ceramic cups ben yomo. That much she knew that it was treif but had to get her fix. Then when there was the scare about the pitter one year that everyone stopped eating for a few days, she and her faker husband were hocking about it to people to make themselves sound frum.
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do not accuse a vhq establishment of this stuff. The 'choochim' is only taking a swipe on the vhq, as he usually does.
Besides, hes probably lying to begin with.
It was takke a Hungarian lady party planner who was bringing the Puerto Rican goyim to make wild parties Shabbos nights at Eitz Chaim on East 13th St. She conspired with the modern orthodox board to override Rav Friedler. She only stopped when the Mirrer rabbonim threatened to put up signs against her in Boro Park.
The Queens Vaad has a long history of lying and covering up which speaks for itself. Don't believe everything you hear from them, bifrat not when they hire someone mit groysa payos to put a deceptive, frum-looking face on things. Since the guy was caught being the same mechaber of different posts defending VHQ,, OU, etc, he's now trying to accuse his critics of posting every criticism.
If only he spent a fraction of the time he spends blogging and trying to track down his critics on kashrus oversight ...
Hey, I know a great party planner in Monsey who doesn't bring her own food. She just sets up the props with the caterer's food. She is definitely reliable and not mechallel Shabbos.
Party planners have also been known to interfere with chuppa which is why some mesadrei kiddushin demand that no party planners are allowed to stick their nose into anything before the seudah.
theres a company i saw advertising all they do is rent chocolate machine and they are under reliable hashgocho maybe kaj
R' Dovid Feinstein should also ding on caterers who are mechalel Shabbos, especially if VHQ is vouching for them.
Let's call a spade a spade.
At least Hungarians have party planners and make parties.
There's a party planner in Lakewood who's under the KCL. I saw them advertised. I think the name was "Creations" or something like that.
At least from what I've seen these women are slimy. What is it about this job that attracts that type?
"Hot-dog machine- used for any brand hot dogs previously"
In the foolishness of my youth, I used to call Star K to ask my kashrus questions.
They told me that hotel room coffee machines are fine, because it's not mistaver a goy would bring his own non-kosher items to put inside like flavored coffee or hot chocolate.
I kept arguing that I think they would. They said it is so not shcheeach that it is no problem in halacha even if some do.
This never sat right with me. My gut told me they are wrong.
I later found out from gerim that it is yeduah that frugal goyim always boil hotdogs in hotel room coffee makers.
"Chocolate machine- was used with dairy chocolate then used for fleishig"
What does that mean? I never heard of fleishig chocolate.
I bring my Gompco clamp to every party I attend.
I am all for bringing halacha to our attention - but why in the world are Hungarians being singled out here - what kind of loshon horah and motzei shem rah is this? netzor l'shoncha mayrah u'sfasecha midaber mirmah-is in our torah too, i think-if you would put as much effort into keeping that part of the torah, as into finding fleishige chocolate, you would never speak again, which may actually not be such a bad idea........
"Let's call a spade a spade"
Here the chosid is using the expression that he himself wasted his time researching and deciding that it is osur to use. It comes from some 'avodah zarah source (if thats true!?!?!?). Yet he himself uses it now and then complains when they refer to him as a apikores or a 'oved avodah zara (C"V).
No offense to the interland-batchis reading this but I had conversations about the Hungarians with gedolei oylam. One of the major roshei yeshiva who passed away recently agreed with the points being conveyed on this very blog thread. A moyradik talmid chochom in Bnei Brak in his 90s told me they are a sad lot. A major American rosh yeshiva tells bochurim not to marry Hungarian girls. I heard this directly from his mouth. It's going to spark a huge controversy if I say it out loud but I would not want my children to marry Hungarians based on vos shteyt in the hakdomo to Sefer Hakuzari (Targum Press edition). A second American rosh yeshiva told me he spent a long time researching this inyan to know what to allow for his own kids.
the rov where i live talks about a group in the neighborhood without naming names that they are the"eruv Rav" the people he refers to are all hungarian yichus
he steers the bnei torah among us toward each other and away from them
they don't learn a word not even an hour on shabbos
they sit around with each others veiber talking about clothes jewelry and redesigning the house when everyone else is at a shiur
the women stand in the street schmoozing erev shabbos and go licht sin half hour after shkiah
who cares if these guys buy a new borsalino every year and the veiber three new sheitelach
If you have a tichtigeh caterer he can do the whole job so that no one has to pay an extra salary to these ladies.
"we knew it all along said..."
If that was takka one of your misguided chasidim then it's no surprise he would mimic your way of speaking.
If it was Spotlight vechavairav poking fun, there was no issur avoidah zarah for the following reason. The poskim say it is mutter to mention avoidah zarah in an oyfan vos macht choizek. An example they cite is although it is assur to say the name of a deity altz lo yishoma al picha, an exception is Mercury because this name was originally making fun of that god.
In that case, don't take their money either.
However, ALL mosdos today survive by HUNGARIAN tzedakah.
There is no town in the world that dishes out the amount of tzdakah as boro park /flatbush. Yes. The same hungarians that you won't be meshadech with.
Most Yidden in America are Litvishe.
The odd place like Baltimore might be mostly Yekkishe.
Brooklyn fort has a lot of Poilishe and Oyberlander who are really misplaced Yekkes.
The only city that is mostly Unterlander (Kuzorim?) dehaynu lowland Ungarischer and Romanischer is the Canadian city of Montreal.
Don't listen to that garbage that Hungarians make the world run. Maybe Torah Vodaas. Torah Temima is nisht ah yeshiva so they don't count. Mirrer gets lots of Syrian money.
Do you know about the big exodus every year from Boor-o Park to Miami? They go there to escape all the tzduke collectors on Purim. Do you know what origin they are? I'll give a hint. They are not from Poilen, Lita or Deutschland.
What kind of stupid argument is that? Yeah Hunkies give money to yeshivas. If a mamzer gave a sach gelt you can be meshadech with him too?
We owe a lot of hakoras hatov to the Hungarians. The Agudah convention would be deserted without them. It's a good thing there is one group still left that takes our organization seriously!
There is no bigger party planner then Spotlight on the Queens Vaad. He says he knows about EVERY party that EVERY one hosts or goes to. The only way to know is if he goes to each and every one of them enjoys himself and then blogs about them.
C.S. vechaveirav think they are so funny with their letzonus about parties. The Spotlight chevrah and anyone else with a conscience are human beings. If their little kids get invited to birthday parties you can't deny them all or most parties because they will cry. But because the very wealthy kenacker Queens chevrah who host the problematic parties are the type that don't want any kind of kashrus standard in Queens, which the Vaad are falling over each other to accommodate, you have to watch everything in these places like the kashrus police to make sure at least your own kids don't get the VHQ inspired & induced timtum.
Don't you have any shame that even the officers of your Vaad shuls are feeding treif to the public? Or did you long ago become numb to such "trivial" matters when working with Conservative rabbis in Boston? What else will you stoop to to make sure that paycheck is signed each month?
Chaimel is someone who sure knows about parties! Who was the party planner for the Queens Vaad's 50th anniversary bash thrown for them by the openly gay Speaker of City Council?
R' Moishe writes in a teshuva that it is assur for a shul to allow people to take officer positions if they are mechalel Shabbos. I wonder if some of the more left wing Queens Vaad shuls are skirting that halacha.
No one ever asked R' Moishe this, but it is an interesante shaayla vos me darft vissen lemayseh. What about the Queens Vaad shul nassi with a long ponytail who was getting up to make announcements every Shabbos from the bimah? Is bloiress only assur when it comes out the tchup or also from the back of the head?
When Queens Vaad and OU rabbis were writing letters to the editor of the NY Times about the Federal raid of Rubashkin's, the big mon d'omar with the ponytail also jumped on the bandwagon. Somehow though he was the only one missing when Lipschutz & Lewin put together the lineup of clowns at the Hatzolas Rubashkin assifos.
"The Spotlight chevrah ... with a conscience are human beings"
This is a STEERA minay oobay.
"you can't deny them all or most parties because they will cry"
Feed them "TARFUS" and be 'METAMTEM" their minds because "they will cry"
Did we hear you right? Did You say THAT?
....are skirting that halacha.
you mean mini-skirting....
....the lineup of clowns.
He also missed the rosh haclowns from Metropolitan Avenue.
If someone grows groiser payos, not for frumkeit reasons, but because he is trying to impress people with phony frumkeit, ken zein that is also a sort of bloiress that grows sideways out of the kop.
"Did we hear you right? Did You say THAT?"
As usual, the Queens Vaad troublemaker is buzzing around like a fly in the window. He never makes any sense. He just likes to be annoying to distract everyone from his problems.
You usually read things right but then twist them around to put things in people's mouth that they never said.
There are parents who accompany their kids to the parties and do not let them eat anything unless it checks out. This means seeing if something came from the outside with hashgocho and seal intact. This means not allowing to eat from anything made on the spot in a machine. This means checking every candy wrapper in the goody bag for hashgocho.
If you had to bring your kid to such a party, I bet you would not want to do anything that looks like you don't trust your big kenacker Queens Vaad baal habatim because it will put your job in peril.
And don't think you are safe from such parties by shunning Queens Vaad shuls on Shabbos by Rav ST and sending your kids to Yeshiva Ketana & BYQ. Maybe you made that dumb crack about miniskirts because you know there are some BYQ mothers who wear miniskirts & pants.
Look who's talking, MR. STEERA VOS SHTAIT OIF TZVAI
Just an observation. 'You know who' at the Queens Vaad went beserk and started screaming insults on this blog when someone linked the newspaper picture of him being memalai schok piv by the party thrown for him by the openly gay Christine Quinn.
It seems to be that since then whenever there is a photo op with the Queens Vaad and other controversial figures, he runs out of sight when the photographers arrive so that he doesn't get caught again with his proverbial hoizen pulled down.
Az yemalei schoik pinu ulshoinainu rina when toiava'niks throw a party for the Queens Vaad!
Az yoimru bagoyim that the Queens Vaad is very Liberal and enlightened!
http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-events-sightings-in-new-york/is-being-gay-the-new-black
Christie Quinn asked Rabbeinu if groisa payos is a new style being promoted by fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi who graduated from Yeshiva of Flatbush.
MR. STEERA VOS SHTAIT OIF TZVAI
Gerrer chassidim are heard to use the insult "bahayma vus shteit oif tzvei"
"being memalai schok piv by the party"
Yener vos is kulo admoni is "metzachaik" as he gears up to ambush the people who know the truth about him.
The Bursztyn Family in Lakewood originates from Hungary from a city called Burshtyn
The notorious molester Lebovits davens in the Burshtyner shtiebel in Boro Park.
"Isaac Mizrahi who graduated from Yeshiva of Flatbush"
R' Avigdor Miller zl refused to call it a yeshiva. He called it Something of Flatbush.
http://www.forward.com/articles/2807/
YOF had a Menahel named Rabbi Alan Stadtmauer. One day in 2005 he quit his shteller, announced he was gay and had left orthodox Judaism.
http://www.forward.com/articles/12498/
A few years later, there was a whole movement of alumni becoming openly gay.
The baalei musser say that someone doing a big avairah befarhesya makes it easier for others to be nichshol.
It is even worse when there are gay menahelim in heimishe places like Kolko at Torah Temimah.
shunning Queens Vaad shuls on Shabbos by Rav ST and sending your kids to Yeshiva Ketana & BYQ.
One who davens by RST and sends his kids to the heilige places does NOT go or get invited to such narishe parties to begin with let alone go there himself with 'tereetzim'.
Hu asher dibarnu that this guy is the biggest fraud in town. HE SAID IT HIMSELF. Not us.
Loser, there are girls in BYQ whose mothers wear minis & pants. I bet your daughters have been invited to birthday parties of such people.
And even those appearing more haymish are probably buying the non-kosher birthday cake candles sold at Queens Vaad supermarkets. Rav Blumenkrantz writes they are also minhag avodah zarah.
Rabbeinu is gerecht! It's no big deal to drive on Yom Kippur but if you c'v criticize the Queens Vaad, dus heisst apikursis!
Rabbeinu halt az meh tur nisht ibber zuggin vus zei shparrin hoizen veil tze zet nisht ois git vus er alein shikt tzim BYQ
'Rav Blumenkrantz writes they are also minhag avodah zarah.'
How about if the kid cries? Is it still avodah zarah?
Lets see what shtus Spotlight comes up with.
You are doing a very poor job spinning things. Of course you cannot allow avodah zara even where the kid cries, shoytah. Although it doesn't stop YOU from allowing sale of those candles in your Queens Vaad stores. Even if there was no avodah zara, you have created a huge michshol where those non-kosher candles drip on to the birthday cakes.
I accompany my kids to these parties and make sure they don't anything inappropriate.
YOU on the other hand have a din chotay umachti es horabim by facilitating that everyone can buy them. And then you have the nerve to try to spin it back like someone else is the bad guy.
"I accompany my kids to these parties and make sure they don't anything inappropriate."
Rav Blumenkranz says its avoda zara and YOU accompany your kids TO PARTAKE in avoda zara?????? Do we have to ask RSW AND REY first????
Idyot,
I have no idea beforehand if there are going to be your treifenna but Queens Vaad approved candles on the cake. My kids do not eat from any cake that had your treifenna but Queens Vaad approved candles on them.
Now get a life and a get a job where you don't have to lie & cover up kashrus scandals on the orders of your modern orthodox masters.
i was always wondering how the byq mothers dress at home when i see so many of the fathers wearing leather, suede and knit yarmulkes. i guess the modern dont care so much its a chareidi school as long as the english is good
Bais Yaakov Queens was originally what's known as a community school. 50 years ago they even took from frey homes to do kiruv. Now that they are so full, it's a mystery why they are still taking the modern orthodox. It's true the modern want to get in because the education is so good but who needs them. They have plenty of their own schools so let them go there. And it's not like BYQ is making them more frum. They all end up in modern high schools and often dont cover their hair when they get married. The school also has modern orthodox staff. One of them promotes her summer business in the school which is a modern orthodox day camp. Another had the chutzpah to represent Bais Yaakov in a temple to honor a Conservative rabbi. And a third addressed a school function to speak about "Rav Soloveitchik zatzal". Hey, this wouldn't have anything to do with the holy input from the VHQ's Vaad Hachinuch, would it? It's not possible for everyone but this is why some baalei nefesh have arranged rides every morning to Brooklyn schools.
If you see the "K Cup" machines for coffee, most of the K Cups are pareve but a few flavors are milchig. Once the milchig was used, the machine will always be milchig.
Modern orthodox in BYQ? Nah, if C.S. denies their existence it MUST be impossible. After all, he said he's perfectly safe from those elements by Rav ST. So it must be true LOL. Membership in that shul makes it impossible that any modern orthodox classmates would ever invite his daughter to a birthday party ROTFL
I'm scared to drink from those Keurig K cup machines even in someone's house. Many of the pareve varieties have unreliable hashgocho. And even someone who is careful can easily make a mistake without realizing when they buy the sampler packs that are a mishmash of OU, unreliable, cholov akum and no hashgocho whatsoever.
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