Nonetheless some comments are in order:
1-There isn't a single "Mareh-Mukom".
2- Rav M.B. Klein (Satmar Dayan) wrote that he was forced to sign. Can we surmise that many of the others were also forced to sign?
3- After verifying by some of the signers that they have not attempted to verify any or all of the stated facts. Can we surmise that none have verified the stated facts & conclusions? Yet had no qualms about signing. Can we surmise that these signatures on any other letter, document, tzedokah letter was done in the same fashion & carries no legitimacy?
4- When & if this matter goes to through the legal system, It may get expensive if they everyone individually can't justify their actions? One can't hide behind the veil of another one.
5- Where is the "list" of the ones that refused to sign?
6- etc
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So THe GRAND RABBI KNOPFLER IS GOING TO SUE ALL THE RABONIM IN COURT>
I guess his wife will keep him & he will do the best shiduchim for his kids.
He will become Yudel #2
Good luck.
It is sad when people with kishroinos get things in their head, put on frocks, & believe that they are Gadol Hador in their thirties.
Not only have they killed their chances of being the big Rabbi they thought they could be, but they have also paseled themselves from a NPGS1, or NPGS11 or NPGS4 job.
Although there is a Shabboss frack clad guy working in one of them.
I guess they believe that by suing Rabbonim with the help of ...
that they will now have a parnoso, little do they know that libel & defaming laws are not easy to win in NJ.
The fact is he frauded a letter from the Roshei hayeshiva and hang it around town. If he denies it, I could testify he told me that it was an authentic letter.
More than that he brings one tshuva about gittin not being a laaz, those who have qualified in gittin, know that we never change a kevius, and also who is he to say that the Rabonim who made the kvius are not qualified to do so?
Bottom line he doesn't have money for a good lawyer he went to givas hamore [knopfler of Boro Park, but officialy free beis Din, they only take shoichad], he is hoping to get a heiter arkaos on rabonim & hopes they drop out because of pressure.
If not he will do like Shain & YS did to Rabbi Finkel's Beis Din in Lakewood court. Wasted a day of their time made a whoppin chilul Hashem, and lost anyway. Same happened in civil court.
I guess this is dajevous, the reason no one was moicheh, & YS is still a prominant member of our community.
This will go the same way.
Yudel even if you don't have rachmonos on your own children have rachmonus on Knopfler's they are youn innocent sweet kids, let them get married.
Stop now, it isn't going anywhere good. Admit defeat, don't start another losing war.
IMPOSSIBLE!! None of our rabbonim and gedolim would sign a letter without knowing all the facts. Just ask Lipa Schmeltzer.
I do believe that even the anti-Kotler crowd are against Knupfler, from what I hear in the coffee room.
What Ikul? Please clarify.
Well if you heard it in the coffee room it must be TRUE!
Haha
I guess this is dajevous
it's spelled deja vu
Most of the rabbonim who signed haven't the foggiest idea about hilchos gitten, Knopfler, or the facts.
All they know is that R'MK told them they must sign. Resistance was not an option.
They have a hatred for him like you can't imagine. The real reason why? Because he is an obstacle to their malchus.
Yudel, keep up the good work. You are from the only ones who are not afraid to stand up and say the truth.
Wow! Just check out the Lakewood priorities.
Children get molested - no unanimous letter.
People are falsely accused of molesting - no unanimous letter.
Children aren't being accepted to schools for pathetic reasons - no unanimous letter.
Someone has his school wrested away from him - no unanimous letter.
Someone without much credibility to begin with, voices his opinion on gittin (b'haskamas Reb Eliyashiv and Reb Eliyahu Levine) and get's some attention for it at THE ESTABLISHMENT'S expense - and there you go! A unanimous outcry from all of those G-d fearing rabbanim who only been kavod shamayim and kovod hataorah. Wow!
Exactly whom's signature is trustworthy. signature on that silly paper are either terrified of the establishment or have had previous issues with Knopfler.
Why didn't R. S. B. Cohen sign? R. Gissinger? R. Mintz? R' Berkowitz?
Hello? Anybody home???
I thinK this exact letter should be written agenst aloowing Aron Krupenia to open a yeshiva which is a huge chill hashem and mailed to all parents (in his own words can every buky and sruky do as they please )tbc
What I see on the letter is a list of rabonim that are either easily bought or have no backbone. BH my rav is not on it!
why did rabbi salomon not sign or rabbi abadi??
I'm from the Anti Kotler .
and i am stongly against Knopfler.
while the kotler problem is a bigger problem , knopfler is much more dangerous because he doesnt even care about PR , and has 0 yeras shomin or fear of anything or anyone.
what he tried to do is use the very valid anti kotler /establisment / mafia sentiment for his own personal gain. he is not another yudel or hershkowitz. he is selfish lowlife.
his challange to establishment is benefiting only himself , and now he is actualy making the establishment / kotler /mafia look good because to every it seems to most who dont really know whats going on as if we needed the kotler /mafia to stop this guy and that the kotler/ mafia are really good and out for the people.
therefor i am strongly urging you yudel and all those you dont go along with the kotler mafia such as rabbi gissinger , abadi , R,scb ect to come out againts this thug seperatly . there should be a different paper, show that your not wiling to sign along with the Kotler /mafia and that you dont need them , but this knopfler thu must be driven out of town.
The establishment hates R Knopfler because he is the only one in Lakewood who practices Lo Soguru Mpnei Ish
a krupenia was behind this. he is a enbarisment to lkwd
all the signatures is one person, they all signed cuz of kotler
ahron krupenia wants to open a yeshiva. it needs to be stopped. he is a dangerouse sick person
any decent rabbi didnt sign.
Forcheimer paskins without hearing both sides a whole day. it is kineged the shulchun aruch. He is pusul.
Who is aaron Krupenia & what are you not saying about him?
He us malkiel kotler nephew. he is a gai that has nothing to do with his life, he ran around for the signatures against knofler, he stands in parking lot of yeshiva a whole day doing nothing, and making machas against everything,
Reliable sources tell us that 2 of the signers were by Aron krupenias house accusing him for forging keepu posted
Just for the record ahron Krupenia gave out a official statment that he sees this will cost him his chance of making a yeshiva but he is willing to be moser Nefesh just like his father did for the kotlers when they gave hom zero in the yeshiva
The sore losers always have some worthless zog against Rav Forscheimer. I have asked him things and once he knew it was lemayseh who would not answer me lehalacha unless the other side came.
A very slimy toain while still a yungerman in yeshiva lost a din Torah by Rav Forscheimer. He went around saying he doesn't have to listen because it's a shayle of "yashrus" which Rav Forscheimer "cannot posken" on. I'm glad to hear that virtually no beis din allows this shvantz today to represent baalei davar in front of them.
Wow, you can cary on shabbos any place in Lakewood, the "eiruv" rav covers the whole Lakewood.
Gavriel Finkel is a Moser not only is he not allowed to be a Dayan or Pasken SHaylos it is Ossur to Be Metzaref him in a Minyan or stand in his Daled Amos he had a frum yid arrested in Lakewood because his nephew and neice Bursztyn on Park AVE Claimed their tennent owed them a few hundred dollars rent and that he insulted them Gavriel Finkel told them they can go to court when the tennent started going to Rabonim and they were afraid it will go to a Din Torah Finkel called up the tennent and threatened him that "unless he goes to Arkous (SECULAR COURT)he cannot work for the KCL as a Mashgiach and that he Finkel will remove the hashgacha from the new catering business this person started" and that is exactly what bursztyn did they went to court had this bochur arrested causing him thousands of $$ in legal fees than when Bursztyn was summoned to Bais Din Bais Yosef AND mECHON lEHORAH Bursztyn threatened to sue Bais Din for Millions of Dollars and have this Bochur arrested for getting Bais Din involved all this with the help of Uncle Gavriel Finkel Rabbi Yisroel Knopfler said with out a doubt Gavriel Finkel has a Din Of a Moser with all the Halochos IN Shulchan Orach that apply to a MOser including that he has no Chelek in olam Habah that is one of the reasons Finkel hates Knopfler and is trying to run him out of town the truth it is not just R knopfler who said that about Burzstyn and Finkel. Any Rov that was involved or is aware of this case including Bais Din Bais YOsef Rabbi Belsky etc said Finkel and Burstyn are Mosrim and Reshaim and Mesariv Ledin
Ahron krupenia is a dangerous human being. He has nothing to do with his life. All he does is talk against other people.
Did Rav Zimball pull back his signature because of a thret of a lawsuit or he realized that there was no justification? ask him.
I number of Rabbonim didn't want to sign because they would rather not get in the middle of a machlokes and they think there are enough signatures there already.
There have been a number of attempts to resolve this in private but Knopfler would not back down.
all other rabonim were thretened or called by micky
20 years ago the roshei yeshiva stopped Mickey's from being an official beis medrash because alla batlonim were having a big bull session there instead of learning.
Rav Knophler must have huge siyata desmaya that this caused a Krupenia true colors came out and bezras hashem his yeshiva won't open as one prominent rav said yesterday Gittin in rav knophlers hand is a mitzva when u campare the danger of a yeshiva or a bocher in Aron Krupenia hands god forbid
I don't see
The Mashgiach
Rabbi Zymbal of Westgate
Rabbi nochum Eizenstein of Forest park
Rabbi Yardly of Village Park
Rabbi S. Bunim Cohen of Ateres Yishaya
Rabbi Shlomo gissinger of New England Village
Rabbi Sorotzkin of Telzshe/ Lakewood Mesivta
The Satmar Dayan willing Signature
Rabbi Eliyahu Levin Of Kollel Even Haezer
its not the first time finkel tells people to be a moiser, and forkheimer too does the same thing
Forcheimer and Finkel think they could do whatever they want. They have their own shulchan uruch.Years ago no one went against them. Now knofler isnt scared so they are going crazy against him. Forcheimer and finkel are dangerous to lkwd. We need rabbonin to sign against them
"There have been a number of attempts to resolve this in private but Knopfler would not back down."
Back down? Who do they think they are to allow or disallow a bais din to open or close?
As long as nobody voted for bmg to be the tuvei ha'eir, they can run the yeshiva - period.
They hate him simply because he does not take orders.
Its that simple. Really.
Why are you putting Rav Forscheimer in the same boat as Finkel? When he seems to be acting the same it would only be because he doesn't say a word or make a single tnuah without taking his direction from the hanhala.
R Forsheimer was not involvewd in the Bursztyn Case Finkel did it alone he knew none of the other Dayonim on his Bais Din would allow his nephew and niece Bursztyn to have their tennent arested simply to get revenge Finkel purposely didnt notify them especialy R Forschiemer. R Forsheimer found out about it after the fact and when he saw the rediculous charges he laughed R Forsheimer was aware of these Bursztyns prior to this case when their first tennent Gordon from Nojos Fencing started having problems with Bursztyn as soon as bursztyn bought the house and became their new landlords Gordon and his wife went to R Forsheimer to summon Bursztyn to a Din Torah R Forscheimer told them move away from "these Bursztyns" they are "Mishagoyim" you are only going to have non stop problems from them and that is what the Gordons did they moved out unfortunetly this new Bochur who moved into Lakewood wasnt aware he was dealing with a bunch of phycos no one warned him
don't care much for the kotlers or knofflers.But does anyone for gods sake know who is right on this issue?
Hashem planned refua kodem limake, krupenia opening yeshiva, not everyone knows how crazyn he is, now this letter that he was busy with let the oilum know he is busy with shtusim a whole day so he cant have a yeshiva
who is noson levovitz??
its obvious from the letter that knoffler is guilty on not asking for reshus from the roshai yeshivos & the yeshiva is guilty of not being kovaiah mokom and thus giving berman a free hand to write gitten as he sees pleased
on the issue, knoffler wanted to set up a kvius gittin accordinding to the big poskim in america, some local poskim didnt like that he was getting power, on this issue he is 100 percent right.
Finkel has no neemanus or ehrlichkeit. What can be done to Gavriella Finkel to have him join his dearest nephew Moish Finkel on the run??
come on what does nosson levovitz have to do with this
Finkel can join his other nephew Moshe Bursztyn who is also on the run Rav Matisyou had R Gottlieb fire Bursztyn from Bais Hatorah A number of years ago due to parents complaints about him and that he is a Moser so M Bursztyn went to Passaic where no one knew his past history and that he is a Moser in middle of the year half the parents pulled their kids out of his class they said they do not want this phycotic person around their children than at the end of the year when the Menahel found out he is A Moser he told Bursztyn dont come back next year so now he has no official job he tries getting substitutig jobs at local cheders here in Lakewood who do not know his history and that he is a Moser he also tries getting tutering jobs by unsuspecting parents
Is it true that the previously frocked Knopfler has now been crowned too?
I haven't seen him, but I heard that lichvoid he was ordained as Reb, by so many Rabonim, it went to his head [punn intended] & he now goes with a rabonishe hat.
its not a rabbonishe hat. i think he realized the trash that the yeshivishe velt is, so he put on a chasidishe hat.
did he put on a bekitche too??
Why didnt the Mayshorim Mafia sign the letter. Neither the Bear nor the Lion not the Fox?
Must be something to do with their recent ad in the Voice.
as some of u may know I have made a lot of kanais and machaas in the past few years (ever since reb Meir stern diagnosed me as learning disabled )but Knophler is a real threat to any further behind doors cooruption that is needed in order for people like me to open a mesifta and that is why I am trying to take knopler down
Finkel found a part time job for his nephew at his good friend Rabbi S yeshiva Bais A on Park ave Rabbi S was a former Dayan on Finkels Bais Din Vaad Hadoyonim and last year Finkel was honored at the Bais A Dinner Rabbi S told Finkel i cannot give a Mesariv Ledin a Position in my yeshiva Finkel said dont give him an official position just let him learn one one with some Bochurim
Maysharim head honcho was extremely behind this.
However, he figured that its not worth it to sign himself when so many others can do the dirty work and take the blame.
In other words, I can have the best of both worlds. Have Knopfler buried, and not officially take the blame.
How ironic because Dovy Kahn is a big Torah Temimah guy and Knopfler is related to Margulies.
Who are you?
The anonymous bochur or bochur at the time of arrest?
You seem to suffer of serious obsessions, & can't move on.
True or not right or wrong what do you gain by posting this all ovrer town & on blogs anonymously?
If you tried to forget & forgive & move on, life will be a lot better, there are so many more opertunities.
Move on!!
If you need help post your name I will try to contact you or even an allias email.
For your own sake move on.
Don't let those who evicted you live rent free in your brain.
i heard alot of rabbonim want to back out, they were lied too about the gittin.
Thats what happens when you give these Newly married Third generation spoiled lazy suburbinite americans free 5 bedroom 3 bathroom palaces (HUD)Free food (WIC FOOD STAMPS )Free Medical care (JERSEY CARE ETC)Free -reduced tuition and than they are told how the whole world has to worship them because They are MOSER NEFESH to live like Multi Millionairs live in ny than when they feel someone might have slighted them it is a major crisis and they must go to court police jails shenky etc
Rabbi Forsheimer is a nice person however by nature he is a meek person not an aggressive fighter and he knows who runs the show here in Lakewood (BMG) and so he tries not to clash with Gavriel Finkel especialy if BMG HAS an interest in the matter
Rabbi Forsheimer is a nice person however by nature he is a meek person not an aggressive fighter and he knows who runs the show here in Lakewood (BMG) and so he tries not to clash with Gavriel Finkel especialy if BMG HAS an interest in the matter
he might be a nice person, but he cuzes great harm to people by paskining wiyhout knowing both sides
A person could not rely on anything from him.He never hears the whole storty. And takes a side, without hearing the whole story which is against a halacha in shulchan uruch, besides it shows how stupid he is to not hear the whole story.
Breaking news knpoflers grandfather margo of torah temima had a long meeting with kakaiel kotler and some kind of arangement will be made uniting knopfler and berman together in the same beis din
Also margo explained multiple ways of how to cover up sexual abuse issues as is known he is one of the experts in the field also present at the meeting was butch epstien and his brother yitchok aron
I had a din torah at the badatz of lakewood and i was impressed by there fairness and knowledge of the business that was involved, they also seemed well versed in the halacha
Rabbi knopler headed the beis din and he explained the procedures in a clear manner, the other two rabbis are chasidish from brooklyn and asked all the pertinent questions
I ended up loosing in the beis din but I felt my case was heard and the situation understood
I wouldn't hesitate to go back to that beis din and would strongly recomend them
everybody knows that at r knofler bais din the chances of getting a fair trial is the best from all the batai dinin in town, he has rabbonim that understand buisness very well
is he the son of r' berel knopfler who is fighting kedassia in london?
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