The mashgiach called the caterer "did you receive my list? yes, everything is all right, we'll comply with everything". (the Mashgiach knew he's in trouble)
On a Sunday morning at 8:00 AM the Mashgiach arrives & is welcomed by the Brooklyn based Hashgocha's mashgiach (the only Jewish employee). He's shown around & asks a few questions e.g. Is this the regular wine they use in the kitchen? Mashgiach says yes, they love the taste. Why are you asking? Because I see they are using non-mevushal wine in the kitchen?
It went from one problem to the next, Bishul akum, products, pas palter, etc NOTE: This was supposed to be a sephardik bishul yisroel affair.
Finally the caterer had their fill from not being able to comply with even basic kashrus. The Boss arrives at 10:15 AM an slim Italian in a 3 piece suit, etc. He introduces himself to the mashgiach of the affair, "you are disturbing my employees from producing a contracted affair" and he opens partially his jacket for the mashgiach to see the gun in his belt holster.
The Mashgiach says "we'll talk later about the disturbing your employees....What's the gun for? Oh, I carry a lot of cash to the bank to deposit...... The Mashgiach says today is Sunday the banks are closed, you came to intimidate me with the gun "now get out of the kitchen & close the door behind you-don't come back till the affair is over.
The owner did as instructed, all of the employees dropped their working tools and knives & looked down at the floor...
The Mashgiach says "OK fellows today I'm the boss let's get to work everyone". The owner tried calling on the phone to the mashgiach to apologize to no avail. Ultimately the Brooklyn was forced by the mashgiach to remove their certification- Their regular mashgiach was not worth a red cent.
It had the same hashgocha as Morrell with a very unqualified mashgiach. Where does the Morrell mashgiach fit in?
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http://standardli.com/2012/02/temple-israel-caterer-sued-over-kosher-violations/
The South Shore Standard newspaper quotes Rabbi Abraham Alper as having known the Morrell family for "decades". The Flatbush Vaad has not been on the caterer for decades so is this proof that Abraham Alper is really the Conservative person by that name who does part time work for JTS?
Oh and this past Shabbos, R" Malkiel davened shachris around the corner from Temple Israel at Dovid Weinberger's shul.
So what is the point of this article ?!?
There are only 2 Abraham Alpers in the NYC Metro area. One of them is in NJ and is 90 years old so it is not mistaver that he works for JTS.
The other Abraham Alper is 61 years old. He lives in Hicksville NY on Froehlich Farm Road (any relation to Mitch Froehlich? It's even spelled exactly the same). It is over one mile to walk from his house to the Young Israel of Plainview. This Alper previously lived on Bell Blvd in Oakland Gardens, Queens. The only orthodox places within walking distance from Bell Blvd are 2 Persian shuls that are still far and the Young Israel of Hollis Hills that is so to the Left it can hardly be considered orthodox. Their Queens Vaad member rabbi, Barry Kornblau, signed the pro-gay declaration with Avi Weiss, which he recently retracted (lichoyra under pressure from Schonfeld and Schwartz after bad publicity).
An adam gadol (who understandably does not belong to the Agudah) has been stopping by to speak with Rav YS Elyashev shlita on his visits to Eretz Yisroel. He has complained to RYSE many times about Belsky being poretz geder in halacha bichlal and bifrat in kashrus at the OU.
The adam gadol recently complained to a yeshivishe rov in the 5 Towns that the 5 Towns shul rabbis forced Rabbi Eisen to sign a paper that he is not allowed to be more machmir than the OU in implementing 5 Towns Vaad kashrus. This was done behind the back of some of the more yeshivishe 5 Towns rabbonim. One of the problems with this is that Belsky and the OU sometimes slip in new kulos without informing the public. They did this with broccoli that one day they suddenly decided it's ok to "check" fresh broccoli for bugs. A lot of this had to do with complaints from modern orthodox who don't care about kashrus who kvetch that frozen doesn't taste good enough.
Before Chaim Schwartz at the Queens Vaad starts gloating over this, the oylam zolt vissen there is a huge difference between Schwartz and Rabbi Eisen. Rabbi Eisen doesn't cover things up. If you ask him a direct question he will tell you the truth.
The modern 5 Towns rabbis, some of whom cannot be considered frum, have been further disempowering Rabbi Eisen as the years go by. Stay tuned for details. And when I say not frum, you would not believe what some of them are up to. It's time that the yeshivishe rabbonim form their own group (unless of course Larry Gordon hires Aryeh Ginzberg again to pressure the yeshivishe rabbonim behind the scenes and bashmutz them in the newspaper if they don't cave in to the mafia tactics)
Yasher Koach!
Kol Hakavod to that other "mashgiach who cares"!
ויש לעיין לדינא, באופן כזה שמאיימים עליו ברמז גס שרוצים להרוג אותו, האם רשאי לסכן את נפשו לישאר על משמרתו...
בואו ונעשה חשבון
מה קורה כאן הרב אלישיב ... הרב שטיינמן ... הרב טוביה וויס ...הרב בלסקי... תחזרו בתשובה מהר !!! בשביל מה זה לנו? זה ממש מן השמים לעורר אותנו לתשובה שלמה – לזכות רפואה שלמה..
עם ישראל תתעוררו בתשובה!!!! ברור שרוצים משמים שנתחזק כולנו בתשובה שלימה ובאהבת חברים ושלום ביו איש לרעהו, אין כלי מחזיק ברכה לישראל אלא השלום,
בפרט כעת בשבוע האחרונה לשובבי"ם, זו זמן מסוגל ביותר לתשובה ומעש"ט, וכעת שיש כ"כ הרבה מחכמי ישראל שזקוקים לרחמי שמים, ולרפו"ש בתושח"י, ברור שעת צרה היא ליעקב וממנה יוושע בס"ד, אבל רק בזכות התחזקות בתורה ובתפילה, תשובה ומעש"ט, ואהבת חברים!!
יה"ר שנזכה לקיים בנו חכמי ישראל, ושינהיגו אותנו עד ביאת משיח צדקינו בבריות גופא ונהורא מעליא, בב"א !!!
עצה טובה---מי יודע אולי ואולי אם נקשיב לפסקי מרן פוסק הדור שליט"א כגון ... ( לנשים - לא ללבוש wigs פיאות בשעה שמדת הדין מתוחה עלינו, ר"ל ד' ישמרנו , מה לעשות, האמת לא תמיד יפה לנו ) אולי זה יה' זכות לרפואה שלמה לכל המושפזים. מרן הגאב"ד , והראש הישיבה, ומרן פוסק הדור, והרב עובדיה יוסף גם חולה וגם בנו הרב יעקב יוסף, הרב בלסקי וכו'
השם ירחמנו וישאיר לנו לפליטה את מנהיגי הדור שנותרו לנו לפליטה בדור יתום כזה. מה לעשות, האמת לא תמיד יפה
Two rabbis in the 5 Towns.
Kenny Hain at Beth Shalom. It is considered completely normal in that place to go mixed swimming. The more frum modern orthodox don't step foot in that place. One reason why Larry Gordon runs ads in his 5 Towns Jewish Times for tour companies under Conservative hashgocho or no hashgocho at all is because as long the destinations are exotic enough, the Beth Shalom crowd signs up. Kenny Hain sits on a committee for the One Israel Fund with Conservative rabbis (but then again so do Queens Vaad rabbis and even Eytan Feiner from the White Shul who tries very hard to balance being an Agudah wannabe and appeasing the modern orthodox). A rabbi who was with Kenny Hain in YU said he will not put anything past him.
Yehuda Septimus at Young Israel of North Woodmere is affiliated with Drisha in Manhattan that makes women rabbis. He introduces Drisha's tumah to his crowd.
To think that these rabbis have a say to boss Rabbi Eisen around on kashrus. FEH!
Maybe its because the rabbonim are not speaking out against all those who cover up for molesters. Not one adom godol spoke about the latest discovery in nachalot about the over 200 kids who were molested by unzere heimishe
Dont those same pesach hotel ads appear in the Jewish Press and every other Jewish publication.
Would you turn down a paying customer ?
It's because of stuff like that that Rav Gifter said you can't take the Jewish Press out of the bathroom.
A huge difference of course between Queens Vaad & 5 Towns Vaad is 5 Towns Vaad is at least following OU standard.
Now let's hope Chaim Schwartz doesn't start grilling and terrorizing the VHQ mashgichim over who leaked that one.
Whats Worse?
Being a Modern Orthodox Rabbi or Baaredding and Baashmootzing Rav Belsky Shlit'a b'shaas he needs a refuah shleimah?
You are mistaken about the gedolim not going against the Nachlaot pedophile ring.
Many of the poskei hador in the last 30 years have poskened that one should go to the police against molesters.
In the nachlaot case in particular, Rav Moshe Sternbuch had his psak publicized by his gabbai R' Refoel Rechnitzer that to catch any of those pedophiles it is even permitted to carry around any recording device where chilul Shabbos mideRabonon is involved and if it is necessary to be mechalel Shabbos midOraysah to come ask him the shaylah.
The posek R' Meir Treibitz (grandson of R' Yaakov Kaminetzky) was mattir outright chilul Shabbos midOraysah without special dispensations.
Because it boils down to money, even some of the quote unquote yeshivish rabbis do not let R' Yossi Eisen drop a 5 Towns Vaad client who won't behave. He has also learned his lesson that he can't even try to approach them in many instances. He may be 100% right but tze helft nisht. Not only do these shul rabbis do nothing but they give him a "mishebairach" over the head for asking.
Hey Glatt Glatt, Flatbush Vaad lemaysah allows Nirbatir shechita lol
On Chaim Schwartz who thinks he's teitching up Spotlight
It doesn't matter to Chaim whether Spotlight knew or not that Belsky is sick.
It doesn't matter to Chaim that where Belsky is wrong he's fort being machshil in kashrus, issurei biah, etc. And covering up for child molesters that even the Badatz put out bichsav that the oinesh is very great.
And Chaim is making insinuations that Spotlight is cruel when Chaim takes the cake by having zero rachmonus for child victims of molesters and making fun that's it no harm done and all "agendas". Chaim has also taken below the belt cheap shots at anyone he thinks might be criticizing him by making fun of people that take from tzedokah and dragging wives into it that even goyim don't do when fighting.
It's certainly easy to understand how Yossi Eisen is powerless in the face of all these characters like Kenny Hain, Yehuda Septimus, Hershel Billet and Charlie Miller who has a tremendous sinah of lomdei Torah. Nope. Not the kind of people who want to be more strict than OU.
The same week that Charlie Miller wrote Larry Gordon's paper to attack Rav Salomon and the whole Lakewood, there was also a letter taking to task Dr. Steven Kellner from Young Israel Lawrence-Cedarhurst. He brought Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to the 5 Towns to make himself chashuv and threw a big party for her when she stands behind Obama and his anti-Israel policies.
"Larry" Gordon who left his upbringing at 770 to become a modern knacker in Lawrence allowed his son Yochanan in their 5 Towns Jewish Times this week to pen an attack on Rav Schach over his anti-Lubavitch shita. Gordon went on to attack the rest of the yeshiva world for supposedly only knowing a few pieces in Michtavim Umaamarim that are anti-Lubavitch but nothing lomdish that Rav Schach ever wrote. Since the Gordons are am haaratzim, they must be projecting their lack of knowledge on everyone else. Gordon makes an absurd plea that since Belz has kissed and made up with the one of the two Satmar Ravs who happens to be the Belzer Rebbe's brother in law, the yeshiva world should ignore the problems that the Vilna Gaon and Rav Schach have with Lubavitch and move on in life. The flavor of the essay is to cast the Vilna Gaon and Rav Schach as people who really know how to learn but are misguided baalei machlokes.
But don't let that stop Rabbi Aryeh Ginzberg from grabbing a few bucks that Larry hands him to write attacks on yeshivish rabbonim who don't go all the way for Rubashkin - even though Ginzberg's rebbe Rav Henoch Leibowitz was as anti-Lubavitch as they come.
The Gordons are even more dishonest than you think. I read that stupid 5 Towns Jewish article and caught a lie that most people missed. They make Rav Schach into a cranky fighter in contrast to a Rav Hollander from Flatbush who was very close to the Lubavitcher Rebbe and was one of the only non-Lubavitch rabbonim to regularly attend the farbrengen. What they purposely failed to mention is that Rav Hollander is Larry Gordon's uncle. Of course he would be nice to Lubavitchers if he is related to a bunch of them.
Rabbi Sternbach maybe maybe said:
...catch any of those pedophiles....Blah blah blah....
If some one actually raped a kid (i.e. mayby in certain rare cases he would be a rodef).
But he did NOT say that one can be mechalel anything to report to the police that a kid sat on some ones lap or that someone looked at a kid the wrong way.
If you report something like this to the police YOUR the oitzai'ach.
Its cases like those that need a psak on a case by case basis.
In spite of what the radical activist claim, there is no across the board ruling on that from any godol or posek here or in any other country.
"In the nachlaot case in particular, Rav Moshe Sternbuch had his psak publicized by his gabbai R' Refoel Rechnitzer that "
Some more interpretations from that bum on "daat torah" site.
Anon at 5:02 What is wrong with the nirabater ?
Larry Gordon reported in 5 Towns Jewish Times on "allegations of treif catering" under the Flatbush Vaad.
Larry, let's see some REAL investigative reporting like on the treif food under the OLD Flatbush Vaad when your uncle Hollander was there. You know, before Rabbi Goldberg came in and had to clean up that big mess.
Just a theory. I keep noticing that someone is on the attack against the Queens Vaad, 5 Towns Vaad and possibly others. I know there is someone in Far Rockaway who used to work for a national hashgacha who hates both of those organizations. I would describe him as right wing modern orthodox with a suede kippa. He makes his opinions known by writing letters to small time Jewish newspapers. He has written in the past against both of those Vaadim. It just so happens that he also wrote a letter attacking Dr. Kellner for bringing Sen. Gillibrand to the community. Someone at another kashrus organization once received a very nasty letter in the mail. He can't say for sure who it is but said that the fellow in Far Rockaway talks like that.
Rabbi David Hollander was never a rabbi in Flatbush.
He was not an uncle to the Gordon's.He was their cousin.
Even if Scott Morrell did not manage to get any treif past the Flatbush Vaad mashgiach, Rabbi Goldberg still needs to account for several things.
I have seen indications that Morrell is only a managing partner while the majority owner may be an Italian non-Jew. Rabbi Goldberg is supposed to have a policy that does not allow for that. In Brooklyn it is only possible if grandfathered in from decades ago.
Is Rabbi Goldberg now forcing Morrell to drop their treif end of the business?
Rabbi Goldberg told the VIN blog that the kitchen is locked in the mashgiach's absence. What about cameras & security systems? Surely he does not think it impossible for Morrell to get inside. Locksmith services are cheap.
It is a disgrace but no surprise if Rabbi Goldberg is following in the footsteps of his mentors at Star K. Reform temples are the scene of intermarriages and gay "marriages" which Star K claims to not supervise such affairs but does anyway. What about chilul Shabbos? Rabbonim suspect that Star K supervised the bar mitzvah at Yankee Stadium last year that was full of chilul Shabbos. Star K denies involvement but it's not clear they can be believed. How does Rabbi Goldberg control chilul Shabbos at Reform temples?
Does Rabbi Goldberg have one standard for Brooklyn and another for Long Island? Is Abraham Alper orthodox or conservative? Alper's daughter appears to have gone to a co-ed high school. Is that frum enough for Flatbush Vaad mashgichim in Brooklyn?
Did Alper walk the 4 miles from his house to the Woodbury temple on Shabbos & Yomtov? How else could the Flatbush Vaad supervise a luncheon on those days?
Steven Kellner MD owns Long Island Pediatric Group in Cedarhurst, a practice whose clientele is 80% frum. Most of the doctors are modern orthodox like Kellner but they remain open on Shabbos. It's not clear if his non-Jewish staff are just anti-Semites acting on their own or if one of one or more of doctors in the practice is directing them because they are greedy.
Because here is what happens if you come as a first time HMO patient on erev Shabbos. You make all the appropriate arrangements with the insurer but when you get there, the staff spring all kinds of surprises on you that are not part of the insurer agreement. They demand that you sign a paper that Kellner or his partners are locked in as your new doctor and they will take all your records from your other doctor and they demand while your sick child is waiting that you stay on the phone with the insurer for another hour to make extra arrangements to the practice's benefit. When you explain that you are a frum Jew who will be late for Shabbos they absolutely could not care less. After you have already been there for quite some time they proceed to threaten your child will not be able to see a doctor unless you both give in to their blackmail and are mechalel Shabbos if that's what it takes to satisfy their callous & greed driven protocols.
Rabbi David Hollander was the rav of the Hebrew Alliance shul on Brighton 6th St for 22 years until he was sent to a nursing home when he was in his 90s. A Hungarian YU rabbi, he was a member of the Flatbush Vaad, but to his credit he switched to Kehillah because he recognized they were right about the Vaad's kashrus problems. He was also President of the Iggud and the RCA.
Completely not true about molesters even if you don't believe Rav Eidensohn.
Rav Tzadok from Yeshivas Hamekubolim verified in a letter that Rav Sternbuch and Rav Treibitz poskened to help police catch the Nachlaot molesters even on Shabbos. (Rav Tzadok is the person who helped the Badatz verify the Tropper tapes were not mezuyef by getting a American audio-visual lab to agree to conduct a $10,000 analytical test for free.)
Furthermore, Dayan Sillman's teshuva says that din rodef applies to stam child molesting, not just rape.
But we all know what the AGENDA is of the dray kop at Mon Feb 13, 10:06:00 PM 2012
Hershel Billet is looking real "smart" right now. He decided to backtrack from the ad he placed in the Jewish Star by sending out an email that he backs the Flatbush Vaad 100%.
Now the Nassau County DA has announced that it has been criminally investing Morrell since September for kashrus fraud which is a Class E felony in NY State, based on an independent party planner who blew the whistle.
Court papers allege that while the Flatbush Vaad mashgiach may not have been fooled with treif actual food in the Woodbury & Lawrence kitchens, they were taking kelim back & forth to use for treif.
There is also a blogger alleging that Rabbi Goldberg has been receiving complaints for months that the caterer is mechalel Shabbos to prepare the food but did nothing about it.
How dare you say that about Dr Kellner. He has treated my childrn as well as many of our friendschildren. Not only do theymake themselves available at all times. They are knowledgable and caring physicians.
I know of 2 families where the mothers were widowed and they refused to ever take co-pays from the Mothers.
Perhaps its comments like this and all the other rechilus that takes place on this blog that perhaps the Rabbonim should finally assur this blog.Too much sheker and rechillus goes on here.
Yudel is this what you call screening ? Shame on you !!
i once went to dr kellner very close to shabbos thinking we could be seen quickly but had to leave. the examination rooms and the waiting area were jam packed with haymishe yidden. there is no way that all these people were going to be seen before shabbos started. i hope they all lived within walking distance of the doctor's office or had a serious emergency that they were there at that time
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6725340
CBS 2 reporting that former Morrell clients are forming a class action lawsuit based on pictures of open shrimp buckets next to Ba-Tampte pickles inside a Morrell kitchen.
Remember the other week in the Yated when the Queens Vaad sent Chaim Schwartz running down to shake hands with pro-gay Assemblyman & Queens Vaad shul member Rory Lancman who pushed toyavah through the NYS Legislature?
http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2011/11/oh-nuts-kleins-natural-dried-fruits-may.html?showComment=1327684785770#c1396479569264789658
To refresh your memory, Lancman is a big knacker at the Young Israel led by Queens Vaad co-President Rabbi Dr. Richard Weiss. Lancman sends his children to the Conservative Solomon Schechter school which makes him an apikoros. But you'll never hear Chaim Schwartz say that even as he calls all Queens Vaad critics "apikorsim".
On the front page of the current 5 Towns Jewish Times, Larry Gordon says he got together with Lancman who has dimyonos of being elected to Congress so they could "get to know each other". That is a hilarious mischaracterization because if you know anything about Larry he is not interested in anyone or anything unless they bring ad dollars to the table. He is worse than the most greedy fresser trial lawyers who want their retainer. He has no shame admitting it either as he told the shaliach of the gedolim who wanted to know why he suddenly stopped backing Bob Turner for Congress and went full force for the Queens Vaad's toyavahnik pet David Weprin.
Lancman shows how he is in gantzen an idyot when tells Larry Gordon in the interview that he shouldn't be disregarded by frum voters even though he is pro-toyavah because Weprin was unelectable for holding toyavah is part of frumkeit but he (Lancman) does not go azoy veit because he only holds of toyavah altz civil "rights". Then Lancman goes on to defend his good friend Weprin as being unfairly punished by frum and moral voters that Weprin misspoke as he claims Weprin really has the same hashkofah as him but was not able to articulate it properly.
Lancman then makes it sound like Barack Hussein Obama is the best thing that ever happened in the war on terrorists LOLOLOL!
Lancman then calls for bombing Iran which is not so poshut according to Rav Schach ztl.
Lancman shows how two faced he is by giving lip service to Israeli settlements even though he just said a minute earlier that everyone should re-elect Obama.
So Larry, now to the most important question in your view: how many ad dollars can you extract from this shvantz?
Anyone care to comment on this allegation?
Some background ...
Assemblyman Dov Hikind commissioned a study finding that of all the kosher supermarkets in the NY-NJ area, the most expensive rip off prices are at Queens Vaad supermarkets.
It's true that off the shelf products under Queens Vaad are the highest priced but when it comes to prepared / take out food, the highest rip off prices are in the 5 Towns supermarkets, hands down by a long shot.
Now people are alleging that something that might not be so "kosher" is behind the inflated prices. They say that the supermarket owners are giving away loads of free food to nitzrachim and those who claim to be nitzrachim. Now that's fine and admirable if these baal habatim are giving tzedokah from their own pockets, but when they jack up prices to ridiculously sky high levels to pay for it, it is nothing more than Obama Socialist spreading the wealth of people against their will.
I plan on asking a shaylah if the high prices can go into the cheshbon of maaser and whether the supermarket owners can claim it as maaser if they are compensated by paying shoppers.
People have seen how some supermarkets have a "rush hour" of select shoppers getting free challos and other food with staff refusing to explain why. These allegations could be the perfect explanation.
Well, who and why was Gross even mentioned here? What purpose could that have served, other than a deflection away from VHF and Goldberg ? What does Gross have to do with Rabbi Billet ?
You are naive if you think a doctor not taking co-pays must always mean he is righteous. There are plenty of doctors who do not take co-pays from needy patients for practical reasons. Do you have any idea what kind of scene some of the real needy and fake needy people make in the office because they don't want to pay? It's simply bad for business to allow them to carry on like that. A doctor with offices in Brooklyn who is on the board of the OU says he got fed up with the commotion that unzera heimisher Yidden make in his office so he just decided (he doesn't say if he asked a posek) to drop the co-pays and take it off from his maasar kessafim.
There has been more fallout from the Morrell scandal. 5 Towns Patch is reporting that Nassau County has woken up to the fact that Temple Israel in Lawrence is getting revenue from a for-profit caterer using a substantial part of the building so they have revoked the temple's tax exempt status. The temple was already on it's last dying breath, out of money and on the verge of bankruptcy. These are the same Reform Jews who tried stopping all the shuls & yeshivos from opening in Lawrence decades ago. Now they are throwing out conspiracy theories that the new majority of frum Jews are conspiring to bury them. They immediately massered to the County that they know of frum places in the 5 Towns that also have catering halls. It's probably safe to assume they informed on Dovid Weinberger's shul two doors down from the temple which already had one catering hall and then illegally converted the mandated parking garage into a second.
I don't think Larry Gordon ever wanted people to see what he looks like so you never ever saw his picture in the paper. What changed now that he is posing with Rory Lancman?
There were two letters to the 5 Towns Jewish Times attacking Dr. Kellner over Gillibrand. And both letter writers do not like the Queens Vaad. But the Far Rockaway resident who used to work in kashrus did not criticize over the anti-Israel stance of the Democratic party, he criticized regarding Gillibrand being so overtly in favor of gay immorality, citing the Gemara Chullin 92a. The critic who attacked Kellner over anti-Israel policies is a Republican political operative from West Hempstead who is upset that the Queens Vaad is so cozy with radical Liberals in government.
Nothing would surprise me about people being mechalel Shabbos by the doctor's office for a non-emergency. Lately there is a new type moving into the 5 Towns. They are [supposedly] modern-heimish slash cool Hungarian kids who think they are hot stuff because their wealthy parents buy them multi-million dollar mansions. No kinah here it's just that they arrogantly think they are G-d's gift to mankind when they are not self-made and are not very nice to people. Where Shabbos comes in is that some of these girls are bentching licht way past the zman with no reservations from making it public knowledge. It's not clear it was even the minhag in whatever shtetlach they come from in the heim but since the Satmar Rov assered this in America, there is no limud zechus for them. Some of the local rabbonim started figuring it out half a year ago but have hesitated from speaking publicly. The "new" type is in contrast to the old type who either made it on their own financially before moving to the 5 Towns from Brooklyn or are what is known as the "house poor" which means they cannot afford to live in the 5 Towns but the veib absolutely must be able to show off that her telephone area code is the chushev "516" so they just barely make the mortgage & property tax payments while there is no furniture in their houses and they shnor free yeshiva tuition and seudos from tomchei shabbos. The most important difference between old and new is that the old crowd lights neiros before Shabbos starts.
"What does Gross have to do with Rabbi Billet ?"
Doesn't George Gross daven in Young Israel of Woodmere?
why just heimish? more than half of young israel is mechalel shabbos today. there are emergency meetings what to do but it comes because the parents really don't care. it might bother the parents that the kids are texting on shabbos because they do it too much during the voch too. but the kids became that way because the parents disregard hilchos shabbos like hachana
I am in my 40s and I just recently heard about Dr. Kellner. How dare you criticize him because I think he once ate the potato kugel from George Gross which is the tastiest around!
Ask Rabbi Billet when was the last time he spoke with Gross.
Get your stories straight.
Gross rarely davens there. Even when he is invited to a simcha there he davens in his Shul.
The Froehlich brothers ran a farm near Young Israel of Plainview that trucked a lot of items to markets in Manhattan. It was a long enough journey in those days that there was a lot of spoilage when it was too hot outside. Alper lives on the road in Hicksville named after the farm. Hicksville today is mostly a run down blue collar town that looks like a 3rd World village in India as the population is now mostly Indian immigrants.
1 - They are [supposedly] modern-heimish slash cool Hungarian etc.
2 - since the Satmar Rov assered this in America, there is no limud zechus for them etc.
How can you even say these two sentences in one breath??
5 Towns & Satmar Rov???
Besides, in di hayim they lit up to 20 min before 72. The Satmar Rov was pressured by the litvack and polish rabbis when the Rov just came off the boat. He would never of agreed if he was here first or if those Rabbis would of waited a year or two until confronting the Satmar Rov.
George Gross wrote on his Linked In profile that he is affiliated with Young Israel of Woodmere. I know he is also friends with Shmully Rosengarten who is a major mover & shaker in that shul.
Big house guy, are you saying it is ok for women with Hungarian yichus in America to light after shkeeah?
Wed 01:41:00 PM
In our town, if there is any way to do anything its OK.
At least in Queens, the chilul Shabbos of the Young Israel crowd is much worse. (Consider all this when their rabbis tell you to trust them on Queens Vaad kashrus they control even if they have their stooge mit groysa payos telling you it's "mehadrin")
There are the completely not frum people who drive on Shabbos and some of them are actually deluded enough to consider themselves orthodox. It's not so shver grada when there is not much separation between them and those who don't drive.
Then you have the ones who are shamelessly watering plants and doing gardening work. I once even saw someone doing this on Rosh Hashanah when even some Conservative Jews would refrain.
Then you have the ones who are mechalel Shabbos betzinah which if they are a "trusted" Queens Vaad client handling meat without a mashgiach that is just fine.
Then there are parents who are not mechalel Shabbos themselves but actively encourage their kids to throw away ol malchus shamayim while the Queens Vaad rabbis sit back silently and say nothing. This is referring to when there was a national skateboarding contest in Flushing Meadows Park. A huge group of Young Israel teenagers who all attend modern yeshivos walked for miles and crossed out of the eruv carrying event tickets and drinks. They missed davening to be moser nefesh for this event and parents accomodated by making sure they had a group lunch at 3 pm when they returned.
I wonder if the true statistics bear this out what one blogger has alleged. He says that were selfish small time Hungarian rebbelahs in post-WWII America who would never say anything bederech musser to their crowd because it might cost them a donation. Many of the crowd from those shtiebelach he says became more modern and are today's older generation Young Israel rank & file. I certainly could see it as there are small time Hungarian rebbelahs in this age who act exactly according to what he describes from amol.
'At least in Queens, the chilul Shabbos of the Young Israel crowd is much worse'
What was left out is that all this is under the supervision of the Queens Vaad.
'drive on Shabbos and some of them are actually deluded enough to consider themselves orthodox.'
They park in the Queens Vaad parking lot.
'watering plants and doing gardening work. I once even saw someone doing this on Rosh Hashanah.'
By the way, the plants were in front of the Queens Vaad office building.
'actively encourage their kids to throw away ol malchus shamayim.'
The Queens Vaad has special lectures to teach parents how to throw away...
'making sure they had a group lunch at 3 pm when they returned.'
Under the direct Queens Vaad supervision.
'who would never say anything bederech musser to their crowd because it might cost them a donation'
you livish friends who rabbi'ed at the turn of the century were not much better.
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking_news/nassau_da_opens_criminal_probe_kosher_catering_case
Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice has opened a criminal investigation into allegations that Morrell Caterers of Woodbury, L.I., prepared shrimp, lobster, pork and other non-kosher food in the same kitchen as kosher food.
Chris Munzing, a spokesman for Rice, said the investigation started this week after it was reported that two of Morrell’s former employees filed a civil suit alleging that Morrell started a non-kosher business in the kitchen of Temple Beth Torah in Melville, L.I. They said it was begun in September 2010 in conjunction with a high-end event planning company, Pat Glenn Productions.
Munzing declined to characterize the nature of the investigation except to say that prosecutors are exploring “possible criminal activity.”
Included in the court suit was an affidavit from Pat Casarona, a co-founder of Pat Glenn Productions, who stated that Scott Morrell, president of the company that bears his name, “explained that the non-kosher food required for events produced by Pat Glenn could be prepared discreetly in the kitchen of Temple Beth Torah, which as a Reform synagogue did not impose the same stringent rabbinical supervision as Morrell Caterers’ other synagogue venues in Woodbury and Lawrence.”
Casarona added that Morrell brushed aside suggestions that a separate kitchen be used for the non-kosher operation “until it could be determined whether the venture was becoming sufficiently profitable to make investing in a separate facility cost-effective. Mr. Morrell did express great concern during these meetings that, as he put it, 'there can be no way to trace it back to me.’ "
At a press conference Wednesday, Morrell angrily denied the allegations, saying: “I stand here with my integrity intact. I never broke any kosher rules, ever.”
Asked specifically about the allegations, Morrell, with his mother, RoseLee, standing behind him, said: “I have no knowledge of that.”
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Morrell Caterers has its offices at the Woodbury Jewish Center, where it operates a glatt kosher catering facility whose kosher supervision is provided by the Vaad Harabonim of Flatbush. Rabbi Raphael Adler, the congregation’s spiritual leader, called the allegations “troubling, of great concern and deeply offensive.”
“We have been flooded with calls from families that have booked parties,” he said. “There is angst and concern from families, who are paying top dollar for a party. These allegations have shaken the trust of myself, my congregation and the greater community because hundreds of thousands of people have patronized [this caterer] expecting the highest level of kashrut. We hope these allegations will be proven false.”
In the meantime, Rabbi Adler said, synagogue leaders have “been in close consultation with our legal counsel.”
Randy Zornberg, president of Temple Beth Torah, said that within hours after the news broke about the civil suit he had received “over 50 phone calls from people who have parties in the near future and in a couple of years.”
“If the facts of this case are true and he violated kosher laws, he would be in violation of their contracts,” he said. “But these are two disgruntled employees who have left. What their game could be I don’t know. If Morrell has broken our trust by violating his contract, the contract will be terminated.”
Zornberg added that his congregation’s executive board would be meeting Sunday to further discuss the situation.
At the press conference, Morrell said he would “consult with my rabbinical supervisor” to decide what to do about the silverware, pots, dishes and cooking utensils that were allegedly used for both kosher and non-kosher affairs.
“I regard kosher supervision with the highest priority,” Morrell said.
The kosher supervisor, Rabbi Steven Moss, said he was “surprised” to learn of the allegations because “to the best of my knowledge everything they used for parties booked at Temple Beth Torah was used only for kosher items. I will look into this as soon as I can.”
“We have to make an assessment to determine the next step,” he added. “If there are utensils that have become ‘infected,’ they either have to get new ones or kasher them.”
Rabbi Moss, spiritual leader of B’nai Israel Reform Temple in Oakdale, L.I., stressed that he made regular spot inspections of the kitchens of Temple Beth Torah and Temple Israel in Lawrence, L.I., but was not employed to be there full-time.
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Morrell’s lawyers, Steven Schlesinger and Ronald Rosenberg, claimed that the civil suit brought by the two former employees was part of a failed shakedown attempt to get Morrell to drop a $500,000 suit against Morrell’s former lawyer. They said the two former employees, Thomas Cataldo, the former general manager, and Michael Savitsky, the former executive chef, were paid by the former lawyer to make the allegations. Both men denied it.
Rosenberg insisted that Morrell never directed his staff to prepare non-kosher food in the kitchen of Temple Beth Torah. He said photos Cataldo and Savitsky showed of shrimp and other non-kosher food in the kitchen were “fabricated.”
And Rosenberg questioned why it took so long for the two men to come forward.
“Why did they find God now?” he asked. “There are some orders you don’t follow.”
Both Cataldo and Savitsky said they had complied with Morrell’s orders because they feared for their livelihood.
“He told me in no uncertain terms that this would continue,” Cataldo said when he protested what was happening.
He said that food for between 25 and 30 off-site non-kosher parties costing at least $200,000 were prepared in the Temple Beth Torah kitchen. He said that although the bills were processed through Morrell Caterers, they were concealed from the synagogue to avoid paying synagogue fees.
Savitsky said he recalled that on at least one occasion his staff was ordered to prepare both kosher and non-kosher food in the kitchen at the same time.
They said they acted to blow the whistle now because they could no longer stand the “guilt” of what they were doing.
“I finally decided I couldn’t do it anymore,” said Savitsky, who came to the press conference wearing a white chef’s shirt. “I just finally gave up.”
Cataldo said in an affidavit filed with the court that he and Savitsky each owned a 5 percent share of the business. And in a court affidavit, he said Morrell Caterers “has no cash, is struggling to make payroll” and owes a key supplier more than $250,000.
Cataldo said that although all of the non-kosher food preparation was done at Temple Beth Torah, utensils, pots and pans, plates, glassware, display pieces and other items were routinely taken to Temple Israel in Lawrence for use there.
“A white platter that was used to pass kosher Hors d’oeuvres there was also used to pass coconut shrimp,” he said. “And sometimes we would bring food back and forth.”
Part 4 (additional reporting from an updated version of the story)
Schlesinger said that in the wake of news stories about the lawsuit, two customers sent letters to Morrell Caterers asking to cancel their affairs and requesting a refund. But he said Morrell is “now reassuring them … and no one has officially canceled.”
In light of the allegations, the kitchen at Temple Beth Torah is to be thoroughly kashered — brought up to strict kosher standards — by the end of this week, according to Randy Zornberg, the synagogue’s president.
“He [Morrell] claims he is innocent and a victim of blackmail, but my feeling is that kashering the kitchen is not an admission of guilt but something that is needed to prove to everybody that at this point forward it is in compliance with Jewish practices,” he said.
Zornberg said he sent a letter to Morrell on Monday telling him of the need to have an outside organization kasher the kitchen and that the synagogue would select the group to do it. Morrell, he said, would be responsible for the bill.
In addition, Zornberg said he requested that Morrell install security cameras in the kitchen to ensure its integrity.
Zornberg said also that he was upset with the Vaad Hakashrus of Flatbush for issuing a statement last week attesting to its supervision of the kitchen at the Woodbury Jewish Center, a Conservative congregation in Woodbury, L.I., and claiming no responsibility for Temple Beth Torah and Temple Israel in Lawrence (also Reform), which have separate kosher supervision.
He said he believed the Vaad should have come and kashered his synagogue’s kitchen “to make this right” instead of just distancing themselves from it.
But Rabbi Meir Goldberg of the Vaad Hakashrus of Flatbush said, “There was no action for us to take” because the Vaad is responsible for only the Woodbury Jewish Center. He said he has supervised only three or four parties there in the last four or five years, but has been in Temple Israel of Lawrence more frequently.
The president of Temple Israel in Lawrence, Jim Rotenberg, said his congregation is relying on its contract with Morrell to provide kosher food.
“These are purely allegations,” he said. “None of them have been proven or shown, and we hope an investigation will exonerate Morrell. We do not supervise the catering facility; we rely on experts to tell us what is going on. At this point we assume he is living up to his contract and we will live up to our contract. It would be unfair to take any action based purely on allegations … otherwise we would be in breach of our contract.”
Rotenberg said he has received calls from some congregants who have booked affairs with Morrell and “are concerned that we are not locking him out. But we have a contract with him and are living up to it. … In this litigious society, anybody can claim anything. We don’t know the truth and there is no way for us to find out,” pending resolution of the investigation.
Leslie Martin, Temple Israel’s vice president, said the congregation “intends to do the right thing” and would not do anything “that would tarnish our reputation.”
"you li(t)vish friends who rabbi'ed at the turn of the century were not much better"
After you impersonate another reader again to spout shtussim, you are trying to revise history but everyone knows that Rav Herman, R' Lazer Silver, etc did not shter zich to say what had to be said.
Ok so every top position in the Queens Vaad is a Hungarian: Shoinfeld, Veiss, Shvartz & Rosenberg. Is that any reason to attack all Litvishe rabbonim going back over 100 years? If not for R' Aron Kotler and a few other Litvaks you'd be nothing anyway so show some hakoras hatov.
any relation?
http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/235205-s.d.-high-court-affirms-judgment-in-favor-of-meat-company
John Morrell and Co.
Morrell produces fresh pork products, along with a line of processed meats, including bacon
Zornberg is a two faced idiot. I guarantee you that if the Flatbush Vaad would have shown up to kasher the kitchen of the Reform temples that are under the Reform rabbi's hashgocho, Zornberg would have attacked Rabbi Goldberg even more strongly. Because the Reform are looking stupid right now they need this distraction to attack the orthodox.
I asked a major posek about the supermarkets with the ripoff prices. He says it would takke be low of them if it would be true that they are running a Socialist charity system. He suspects that they are making so much money anyway that they could do well with giving away lots of food even without jacking up the prices on paying customers. His suggestion is to try to be more self-sufficient to avoid buying much from them.
The posek has a different and much bigger tayna on the kosher supermarkets. He says that he has asked any kosher supermarket he has ever shopped in if they are in compliance with the Gemara Bava Basra. They ALL admitted to him without caring one iota that they are not in compliance. The Gemara learns it is an issur midOraysah when measuring take out food exactly by the pound to not give a little bit extra. Some of the supermarkets he has approached know that he is a major posek. Incredible to think how greedy, arrogant and shameless they were to his face.
Another thing supermarkets & take out stores are doing which is gezaylah is they are not careful to make sure the foil pans are not doubled up. You then get charged by the pound for the extra pan.
Thu Feb 16, 12:18:00 AM 2012
You somehow left out or forgot about the 100's of Litvish and polish Rabbonim across the
USA that wrote many many s'forim but there is nothing left of their communities or (and in most cases) their children.
If not for the Hungarian Rebbes especially the Satmar Rebbe (ZY'O)
you (in Kew Gardens) would be fressing non glatt meat and slurping non cholv yisroel milk.
So never mind that they wanted to follow Rabeinu Tam all the way through (as is the p'sak in Shulchon oruch). The only reason they did not was because the gaddluss of the Rebbe that he gave up his own hanhooge (and that of generations to come - except in the 5 Towns)to make another yid happy.
Maybe we (and you, Spotlight, UOJ and JBCA) should learn something from all others. Just maybe.
1. The last time I saw a supermarket set up their scales they allowed for "tare weight deduction". In other words, all electronic scales have built in a system that allows to preset the scales to a negative # (i.e. -.05 oz etc) which takes into account you issue.
2. It is unrealistic to believe that any 'major posek' is not aware of this. Thus your 'ANONYMOUS' signature speaks fpr itself.
"You know who" at the Queens Vaad can't handle the truth, so what does he do? He steals the name of a critic to impersonate and adds a bunch of silly guzmos.
He knows gantz gut that many Queens Vaad shul members are mechalel Shabbos and that his overlord modern orthodox rabbis do nothing about it.
And when some of those mechalalei Shabbos shul members are sending their kids to be poisoned at Solomon Schechter, the Queens Vaad rabbis don't just sit back and do nothing, they actually embrace & encourage it by including the school in a list of shul recommended yeshivos.
And dem mit der groysa payos is not the only yeshivishe acting faker at the Queens Vaad who sells out Torah for a buck or two. The same goes for that huckster Moshe Faskowitz (mechutan of Queens Vaad pet molester Bryks) who runs the college yeshiva Madraigas HaAdam. Both of these fakers also 'fress out' by regular scheduled group BBQs which is the ikkar by them. Faskowitz allows a Conservative maysis unmaydiach Larry Welgrin to be one of his organizers. Welgrin works for the Conservative temple on 73rd Ave to pull modern orthodox into their pre-school, elementary after-school programs and mixed swimming at the temple's pool. Faskowitz doesn't want to rock the boat being that Welgrin is considered one of the boys by the modern crowd in the shuls of Faskowitz and of Queens Vaad co-President Rabbi Dr. Richard Weiss so he allows Welgrin to have free reign to be maysis umaydiach. The BBQs are a joint program of both of those Queens Vaad shuls.
CBS 2 reporting that a class action lawsuit was filed today against Morrell by 500 Maitre Ds, waiters, busboys and bartenders that Morrell stole $10 million in tips from them which he had made a mandatory surcharge on catering clients who were fraudulently told the money was going to the employees.
Morrell's lawyers of course deny it even as they mention Morrell was just audited by NY State Taxation to make sure he wasn't stealing sales tax from Albany. Hmmm. What prompted that audit?
An earlier CBS report cited court papers accusing Morrell of filling up expensive liquor bottles with cheap off-brand substitutes.
Rabbi Goldberg has boasted in the past that he will terminate Flatbush Vaad clients who break the law. Will he put his money where his mouth is?
"all electronic scales have built in a system that allows to preset the scales to a negative # (i.e. -.05 oz etc) which takes into account you issue."
You need to slow down and read what was actually written. I am aware of the scale preset that takes into account a single foil pan. I am talking about where the pans are stuck together and a second pan is not deducted from the weight.
"You somehow left out or forgot about the 100's of Litvish and polish Rabbonim across the
USA that wrote many many s'forim but there is nothing left of their communities or (and in most cases) their children."
Like R' Moishe said, this was the fault of the baal habatim who steered all available funds towards beautiful edifices for shuls instead of yeshivos. The Yekkes, Litvaks & Poilishe also came before the churban, in many cases way before, when there was no infrastructure. The Hungarians came in the 1940s, 50s & 60s when there were yeshivos.
"If not for the Hungarian Rebbes especially the Satmar Rebbe (ZY'O)"
If you noticed, it was the "small time" Rebbes who were criticized. Not the major Rebbes. And the point is that the corrupt Rebbelahs were not mashpiah letov out of selfishness. You still see it today by etliche shtibelach.
"you (in Kew Gardens) would be fressing non glatt meat and slurping non cholv yisroel milk."
Don't mach avek Litvisher poskim who require cholov Yisroel and Bais Yosef glatt. Fressing & slurping? I wouldn't know. Is that what you do at the Kew Gardens bbqs with the chicken wings and beer?
"non-posek Sheah said..."
Even YOU didn't dispute the point from maseches Bava Basra. Far vos nisht? Because there is no defense, not even a dishonest one that would be believed.
Now go tell your Queens Vaad clients to stop being oiver issurei Torah!
(That is, if your modern orthodox puppet masters will let you)
I am talking about where the pans are stuck together and a second pan is not deducted from the weight.
I have never seen or heard of any establishment that a customer was given 2 pans even by accident.
I have seen that AFTER they buy something and the first pan is somewhat flimsy that the store will ADD a pan in order to make sure that the customer gets home without spilling.
Then again, this site is a magnet for all types, so you get all sort of tales and stories.
"Fressing & slurping? I wouldn't know. "
Yeah. Right. You wouldn't Know. Uh hu. Try telling it to the Marines, they won't believe you either.
Except when your Hungry.
"I have never seen or heard"
Get your head out of the sand.
Or are you purposely in denial because you will do ANYTHING to cover for your beloved fee-paying Queens Vaad clients? Yep, Napoleon sure KNOWS who butters his bread!
Maybe we can call Chaim the "Sargeant Schultz" of kashrus.
"I know nutting. I hear nutting. I see nutting."
But Rabbi Meir Goldberg of the Vaad Hakashrus of Flatbush said, “There was no action for us to take” because the Vaad is responsible for only the Woodbury Jewish Center. He said he has supervised only three or four parties there in the last four or five years, but has been in Temple Israel of Lawrence more frequently.
An earlier CBS report cited court papers accusing Morrell of filling up expensive liquor bottles with cheap off-brand substitutes.
Rabbi Goldberg has boasted in the past that he will terminate Flatbush Vaad clients who break the law. Will he put his money where his mouth is?
Then again, this site is a magnet for all types, so you get all sort of tales and stories.jUST ask Goldberg
Maybe we can call Chaim the "Sargeant Schultz" of kashrus.
"I know nutting. I hear nutting. I see nutting."
Zolel vesovai indeed. How many chicken wings from the erev Shabbos bbqs make a 'tartimar' bassar?
The only other chevra who engage in such gluttonous zhlobberei for chicken wings are shvartzas.
One kind of zolel vesovai is robbing ovrei derachim. The other kind is imposing an exorbitant fee on restaurants for supposedly providing "mehadrin" hashgocho.
'How many chicken wings from the erev Shabbos bbqs make a 'tartimar' bassar?'
Spotlight. Calm down. There nothing to get jealous about.
Even if its true (which it is not -Spotlight is talking????) they were only tasting the Shaabosdicke wings.
We hope you get a better package from Tomchai Shabbos.
Schwartz, that's really low to make fun of someone for taking from tzedukeh. I hope you never have to come on to it one day.
Signed, not the guy from the block that all the shnorrers go to. But how do you know that guy wrote the comment anyway? A lot of people know about the barbeques and some of us think it's funny whether it is 100% lsheim mitzveh as you claim or not.
But how do you know that guy wrote the comment anyway?
oifen ganef brent dem heetel.
http://morrellcaterers.com/images/dearcolleaguesandfriends.pdf
Morrell filed a lawsuit yesterday against Howard Fensterman alleging he put up catering employees to a smear campaign about treif food.
"oifen ganef brent dem heetel"
Where does it say in halacha that an old wives tale or shprach in Yiddish is sufficient to blame someone when you have zero proof which could mean you are being motzi shem ra? Aren't you the "Chofetz Chaim Crony"? He writes in Shmiras Halashon about a more serious kind of "bren".
Nassau County District Court - 1st District
Index Number: CV-000017-12/NA
Case Name: Brooklyn Kosher LLC vs. Morrell Caterers Of Lawrence Ltd Morrell Caterers Management Company LLC Morrell Caterers Ltd Morrell Caterers Of Melville
Case Type: Civil
Classification: General
Filing Date: 01/04/2012
Brooklyn Kosher is at 5600 1st Ave so it's probably another name for International.
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