Empire, Meal Mart / Alle, Malchus, etc are all processed at the same plant that raises their own poultry. There are צומת הגידין issues.
The best shoichet can't make a treif chicken kosher.
Kiryas Joel, Dave Elliot, Agri Star, Aarons, Marvid etc don't raise their own poultry.
Most poultry plants get their live poultry from various growers. When they find an issue with "tzomes-hagidin", they use different growers that don't have the problem.
One processor (Empire/Mealmart/Alle/Malchus) raises their own poultry, when there is a problem with "tzomes hagidin" they don't have the option of using other growers.
End result- may have serious Kashrus issues.
Your options / choices are therefore limited!
WHY?, The Satmar (Zalman Leib's) & the Volover use the Alle/Empire poultry even though there are other processors that don't have these serious issues.
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But you don't like David Elliott, Agristar / Aaron's anyway.
You can't have your cake and eat it too..... Either you hold of postville or not.
A few years ago there was an article by a Y"M Badat"z Mashgiach [in Yated or HaModea] claming that 55% all chickens they Shected were treif because of Tzumas HaGidin problems.
End result- "MAY" have serious Kashrus issues.
Is it a issue or is it not a issue? Are you making noice on a MAYBE? Or do you know something that you are not telling us?
Why is Shoprite Kosher Experience under R' Chomsky but the meat repackaging under R' Babad?
How do you know that they aren't selling problematic boids to goyim?
What about Pelleh?
What about Murray's special run under Meged Yehudah?
Not so limited when you have access to those
Empire has a deal with a massive treife poltry company to buy all there shaalos, & to fill the quota, they may even sometimes give them stuff which isn't even a shaaloh. Being so: any Empire shaalos are dealt with better than any where else who may not have such a robust agreement.
To alledge what you alledge with no proof whatsoever, just an assumption on a place that very rightfuly denies you admission to their palnt, is not loshon hora, but motzi shem ra.
If I could afford it, I try to use Empire above the other brands you mention, although I personaly know Mr Fink from David Elliot who buit KJ plant for them pro-bono lesheim shomayim,because he was unable to meet their needs. I haven't found his poltry locally, and still feel Empire is more sophisticated. Mr Fink is a very erlicher individual, & I personaly trust him. Rabbi Montel of Brewers KAJ is a man of priciple & stature who I trust, & would trust in business too. However I would be careful doing business with some of the others.
An OU account not letting Yudel in their plant is no indication of anything except maybe that there might be truth to what he is saying.
Anyone in kashrus knows how the OU retaliates against not just those blowing the whistle on them but even those who don't shill strongly enough to their liking.
My personal feeling in this case is that the Nirbater & KAJ would never allow the OU to cover up something as serious as this. Maybe Yudel knows something about one isolated case? If they wouldn't be afraid of educated visitors and let him in, maybe he would have a clearer picture that he wouldn't have to crow about this.
I spoke to Yudel Shain and he says he knows there are some very serious tzomes gidin issues at Empire, mealmart chickens. He says he doesn't have to be in the plant to know what's going on.
לקיים בנו חכמי ישראל.
נא להתפלל עכשיו עבור הגאון הצדיק המגיד “שלמה ליב בן מרים" רבי שלמה ברעוודה שליט”א - מגדולי הדרשנים בעולם - בארץ ישראל - ובארצות הברית – הרב שליט"א שעם ישראל זקוק לו, חולה במחלה קשה ומצבו הבריאותי ירוד, ונמצא בטיפול נמרץ במצב קשה מאד, נא ונא לקרוע את השמים! להרבות בתפילה לרפואתו, וללמוד תורה לזכותו, ולהרבות בצדקה : “שלמה ליב בן מרים" לרפואה שלמה בתוך שאר חולי ישראל. ותשובה ותפילה וצדקה מעבירין את רוע הגזירה.
הקב"ה יעזור שכל אלה שיתפללו, יהיה להם שכר, גם בזה וגם בעולם הבא, אין לשער איזה שכר שיש, וכל אחד מחוייב "בכל כוחו" להתפלל כדי שלא יהיה קטרוג בשמים ח"ו. יישר כוח לכל המתאחדים בתפלה.
TZNIUS IS STILL OUR PRIDE AND GLORY
Maybe you check your facts before shooting?
satmar (R'zalmen leib) is now only selling ONLY Marvid chickens, they used to sell Vineland and mehadrin as well, but they closed down, so they only carry Marvid.
The Zolies (zalman Leib) did use for a long time & still do use Nirbater/Empire poultry.
Anonymous Mar 05, 06:06:00 PM 2013 happens to be right.
I just checked, the satmer butchers (zalmen) don't have any other chicken or poultry than marvid.
When Aaron teitelbaum (Monroe) spoke that the Zolies are using chickens with the Tzomes hagin problem, that was from nirbarter/empire.
Now TODAY he doesn't use it because of the bizyounus? yasher koach.
But the Dole lettuce the zolies moisdois do use, that's worse that the chicken.
Satmar Willi never used Meal Mart / Empire chicken, they had choice of 3, Marvid, Vineland & Mehadrin, now there's only Marvid, where tzoimas hagidin is not a problem B"H.
Regarding what Aaron Teitelbaum said in his drasha is irrelevant & I don't wanna go into discussion of low & dirty politics, facts are relevant, the rest is shtuyot.
Satmar Willy (Zolies) use Dole lettuce, what a shanda und bisha. How low can one go in kashrus? Who's in control? No one I guess.
Willy used Bater? so they used Empire Bater chickens with Tzomes problems. Fardrei nisht.
The reason for tsumes hagidin problems is that they are grown too quickly. They all have other problems as well on every single limb. They are like a nine year old on a three year old limbs. They would die anyway in a short time if not killed. They are all treifa.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1996/mar/12/welfare-of-broiler-chickens
It is impossible to check all the things mentioned there.
That alone that they would die if not shechted is enough to make them traife.
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