Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Pesach matzos- Hand and machine- Oat, etc

Oats have a bitter enzyme that must be neutralized. The method used is by heating the Oats and the internal moisture will steam & neutralize the bitter enzyme. By the Gluten Free Matzos made from Oats, they are heated on trays in a tunnel oven. They are heated to 250 F +- for ten minutes. The process may cause the oats not to be acceptable for pesach matzos-Talk to a knowledgeable Posek.
Note: The Lakewood matzah bakery says their oats are not heated at all. It may be that they are just unaware. Based on our information, it's heated as stated above.

May one use Matzos that went into into the oven approx. 22 minutes after the water was poured into the flour. Some claim that they count the "18 minutes" from when it gets worked into a dough, which is actually 22 minutes.  All for the unsuspecting yeshiva leit.

The only recommended machine matzah is the Beit shemesh chaburah machine with only Bdatz She'airis yisroel.

Others claim that there is a written teshuva on this issue, but they don't want to give it out.
Reb Chaim Shmulevitz, Z"L writes by Mechiras Yosef, a psak that can't be publicized is "botul" and has no halachic validity. So there is no written teshuva per se.

Normal process at an Israeli facility that produces machine matzos is to stop & dismantle & clean the machines every 18 minutes. Normal clean-up & dismantle take 25-35 minutes, an expensive procedure. In order to economize and give Lakewood Yeshiva leit an affordable machine matzo, the matzoh bakery was instructed to dismantle, etc only once an hour, thereby bring down the cost per hour, hence they could sell the matzos for less to the unsuspecting yeshiva leit. Are they still calling it 18 minute, or mehudar?

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who says the 18 minutes starts from when we add the water?

nisht ah poisehk said...

The water that touched the flour at beginning of the 18 min run is already in the oven about 4-5 (maybe 6) minutes later. The dough that the water supposedly hit the flour at the 14th or 15th minute has plenty of time to get to 18 minutes. There also is constant 'aisek' on the dough. So the 'odds' of halachicly becoming chometz are remote. However, this is definitely not 'mehidehr'.

nisht ah poisehk said...

The water that touched the flour at beginning of the 18 min run is already in the oven about 4-5 (maybe 6) minutes later. The dough that the water supposedly hit the flour at the 14th or 15th minute has plenty of time to get to 18 minutes. There also is constant 'aisek' on the dough. So the 'odds' of halachicly becoming chometz are remote. However, this is definitely not 'mehidehr'.

Anonymous said...

Once again your information on oat matzos is inaccurate and out of date. Lakewood Matzah Bakery never heated up their grains. There was only one company that heated up their grains and they stopped baking.
As far as the 18 minutes are concerned, even the matzos of the Bedatz Eida Hachareidis is not 18 minutes from the pouring of the water. There are many opinions of how to calculate 18 minutes, do a bit of research before you knock matza bakeries.
I assume you are under the impression that Beit Shemesh bakery is strictly 18 minutes from the pouring of the water. Maybe you should visit there and decide for yourself. And how about the oat matza produced in their bakery, you think that is also 18 minutes?!

Anonymous said...

numerous individuals and groups found Lkwd bakery deceitful and not truthful in certain statements and methods, etc.

When they said they don't heat at all it was not true as we knew where the oats were coming from and we communicated with them and others and we confirmed that it was heated.

We did visit beit shemes bakery and we know also the scandalous mAtzos lkwd bakery wanted them to make for them without cleaning every 18 minutes.

At least one thing is lkwd bakery is consistant in deception.

But roshei yeshiva, singers and rabonim that need their picture in the news keep baking there, he'll always have a crowed.

Anonymous said...

You don't what you are talking about. Rav Shmuel Meir Katz does not allow any grains to be heated. What do you mean by "we communicated with them" you spoke to the Goyishe farmer who heats his grains for his own regular oats? Please clarify. As far as Beit Shemesh is concerned you did not answer the question, do you think the oat matza produced by them stops every 18 minutes? Leave some contact info and I will explain.