Just in-A gangster running a certain Bais Yaakov revoked a girl's acceptance after the father asked about the kashrus in the kitchen.
Is it acceptable?
Are there written policies for the acceptable hashgochas?
If yes?, obtain a copy.
What should I ask?
1- Who is in charge? Who sets the standards?
Any shailos that arise, who is the final Rabbinical authority?
Is there a Qualified Mashgiach in Charge?
2- Are the using "exclusively" pre-checked vegetables?
If yes?, who's vegetables? not most of them, but all brands that are being used!
If no?, Who is checking them?, is he trained? if yes? by whom?
Is it only being rinsed?
3- How about fruit? e.g. strawberries, blueberries, raspberries? What is the standard being utilized?
4- Bishul Yisroel issues- Convection ovens, steam kettles, etc.
Is bishul-yisroel for sfardim being addressed?
Is a shomer shabbos present in the kitchen at all times? [flames, ovens, etc]
5- Is yoshon, cholov yisroel, pas yisroel being strictly observed?
Hafroshs Chalah- who is responsible?
6- Who is responsible to check "all" deliveries coming in for compliance to the standards established?
7- Is there a properly trained experienced Mashgiach in the kitchen at all times?
8- Is the kitchen locked at night, Friday afternoon, etc? Who are all that have the keys?
9- Are the separate areas for dairy, meat, parve, etc? including sinks, etc?
10- Are all pots, utensils, etc clearly marked for dairy, meat, parve,?
11- Who is responsible for everything requiring seals?
12- ETC.?
This same should questioned of yeshivas and Bais Yaakovs
ReplyDeleteI don't think any camp even a yeshiva camp has properly trained people to check vegetables, etc for insects and clean properly.
ReplyDeleteThey should use one of the reliable ones out there, which would be either positive or kosher garden "don't confuse with kosher-taste".
bgan and eden is pretty good as well, based on what ive seen from the few bags that ive checked
ReplyDeletekosher taste golden taste bodek has bugs, way too many bugs, almost every box ive checked, not sure what they are doing over there but its not working
gush katif veggies are pretty good too, not as good as postiv, but if you soak in soap water and wash they are reliable
"Who's vegetables" WHOSE
ReplyDeleteIs Yudel Looking for a mashgiach Job? Is he trying to give HIS hashgacha to all camps?
ReplyDeleteIs he opening a NEW Camp? In South Jersey? Elsewhere?
Chassidishe summer camps usually have a real hashgocho while Litvishe usually rely on in house staff.
ReplyDeleteCan't believe that Sprinkles is doing this again.
ReplyDeleteThey had 2 stores in Brooklyn and after a couple they suddenly closed.
Like open at 11PM on day 1 and the next morning they closed never to open again ?!?!?!?!.
Strange.
One Bais Yaakov has a caterer who doubles as the money guy who decides tuition breaks, and he is a very shverra baal davar who on the odd occasion a hanocho materializes, it is a very stingy and small one. This is true even when it comes to kollel yungerleit. He allows problematic food items to be served by lunch because he has a conflict of interest to make more profit for himself. The hanhala won't grow a backbone and take a stand or even ask him a single question. They tell you to speak to the guy. And everyone is afraid to raise questions about the kashrus to him because he will probably retaliate with the tuition.
ReplyDeleteThere are yeshivos / BYs that if you ask too many questions about kashrus before your kids are enrolled, they will revoke their acceptance. And even if the questions are all standard some of the moysdos will brand you a crazy kanoiee.
ReplyDelete"a caterer who doubles as the money guy who decides tuition breaks"
ReplyDeleteChotsh, a board member once warned him to start talking with mentchlichkeit while not giving breaks. No reason to act like a beheima on top of everything else.
I heard he was not a real caterer at his old job. He was a cook for a caterer and that Rav Belsky called him a meshugena.
חז"ל מספרים: אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בֶּן קִסְמָא: פַּעַם אַחַת הָיִיתִי מְהַלֵּךְ בַּדֶּרֶךְ, וּפָּגַע בִּי אָדָם אֶחָד, וְנָתַן לִי שָׁלוֹם, וְהֶחֱזַרְתִּי לוֹ שָׁלוֹם. אָמַר לִי: רַבִּי מֵאֵיזֶה מָקוֹם אָתָּה? אָמַרְתִּי לוֹ: "מֵעִיר גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁל חֲכָמִים וְשֶׁל סוֹפְרִים אָנִי", אָמַר לִי: "רַבִּי! רְצוֹנְךָ שֶׁתָּדוּר עִמָּנוּ בִּמְקוֹמֵנוּ, וַאֲנִי אֶתֵּן לְךָ אֶלֶף אֲלָפִים דִּנְרֵי זָהָב וַאֲבָנִים טוֹבוֹת וּמַרְגָּלִיּוֹת"? אָמַרְתִּי לוֹ: "בְּנִי, אִם אַתָּה נוֹתֵן לִי כָּל כֶּסֶף וְזָהָב וַאֲבָנִים טוֹבוֹת וּמַרְגָּלִיּוֹת שֶׁבָּעוֹלָם - אֵינִי דָר אֶלָּא בִּמְקוֹם תּוֹרָה!
ReplyDeleteלְפִי שֶׁבִּשְׁעַת פְּטִירָתוֹ שֶׁל אָדָם אֵין מְלַוִין לוֹ לְאָדָם לֹא כֶסֶף וְלֹא זָהָב וְלֹא אֲבָנִים טוֹבוֹת וּמַרְגָּלִיּוֹת, אֶלָּא תּוֹרָה וּמַעֲשִׂים טוֹבִים בִּלְבָד, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: "בְּהִתְהַלֶּכְךָ תַּנְחֶה אוֹתָךְ בְּשָׁכְבְּךָ תִּשְׁמוֹר עָלֶיךָ וַהֲקִיצוֹתָ הִיא תְשִׂיחֶךָ" (משלי ו, כב). "בְּהִתְהַלֶּכְךָ תַּנְחֶה אֹתָךְ" - בָּעוֹלָם הַזֶּה, "בְּשָׁכְבְּךָ תִּשְׁמוֹר עָלֶיךָ" - בַּקָּבֶר, "וַהֲקִיצוֹתָ הִיא תְשִׂיחֶךָ" - לָעוֹלָם הַבָּא, וְכֵן כָּתוּב בְּסֵפֶר תְּהִלִּים עַל יְדֵי דָוִד מֶלֶךְ יִשְׂרָאֵל: "טוֹב לִי תּוֹרַת פִּיךָ מֵאַלְפֵי זָהָב וָכָסֶף" (תהלים קיט, עב). וְאוֹמֵר: "לִי הַכֶּסֶף וְלִי הַזָּהָב נְאֻם השם צבקות.
I know in Torah V'daas they use Dole and Fresh express And everyone eats without question. all the talmidim innocently assume it's postive or kosher gardens without asking. In addition, they use celery without checking it for leaf miners.
ReplyDeleteThe King of Kashrus gave a public shiur at his shul on Nostrand Ave in Flatbush that Fresh Express has more bugs per bag than any other brand. And he is a Torah Vodaasnik.
ReplyDeleteEven weirder is that Rabbi Belsky alein told people not to eat Bodek romaine despite having his approval printed on the package because it is simply too infested.
Problem is that in torah v'daas the Jewish cook is in charge and all the rabbanim including rabbi reisman are afraid of making any type of complaints. If you even question or ask about kashrus in the kitchen the Jewish cook will publicly scream at you and embarrass you. He claims he knows kashrus better then any Rav ha'machshir. Their were several brave torah v'daas talmidim that exposed some kashrus concerns and one of them was thrown out of the yeshiva for causing panic which indeed had valid basis. All rabbanim and talmidim of torah v'daas are afraid to stand up against the Jewish cook because they know the outcome.
DeleteIn the old Camp Horim,they would pick up jello that fell on the floor (double doors-one for in only;one for out only.Some dumb busboy who was dead tired from a late night at Lucky Dip went in the out door and overturned the whole jello tray).The funny thing was that it actually tasted better.
ReplyDeleteThe owner of Camp Horim who put the deed in his friend's name when the Federal govt assered him from owning institutions due to his long history of theft & frauds, was caught in the 1970s selling treif as "kosher".
ReplyDeleteThere was a time not too far in the past that a request for inspection of the kitchen at Chaim Berlin was made. The request was rejected by the ones in the highest position at the yeshiva.
ReplyDeleteWHY?
Give you 2 guesses.
Rabbi Thau is the official rav hamachshir of the Chaim Berlin kitchen
ReplyDeleterabbi thau is the official rav hamachshir of the chaim berlin kitchen and rabbi alter is the rav hamachshir of the camp morris kitchen. the 2 of them are from the few strictest rav hamachshirim around.
ReplyDeleteEvery RC in the OU knows more than both of them together.
ReplyDeleteYet Rav Shechter told Rabbi Genack "we need Bikur" on the OU.
Why not Chaim Berlin?
"5- Is yoshon... being strictly observed?"
ReplyDeleteYudel is looking to certify camps to be makpid on Yoshon davka in the summer. Oh, and glatt vegetables.
http://forward.com/news/353289/undercover-investigation-reveals-incredibly-disturbing-kosher-slaughter-in/
ReplyDeleteIch bein ein Chaim Berliner said...
ReplyDeleteRabbi Thau is the official rav hamachshir of the Chaim Berlin kitchen
Tue May 24, 09:16:00 AM 2016
sorry to tell you but rabbi thau knows very little about kashrus, he got the job because he's a mechuten with the fruchandlers!!!
If hes a mechiten with the fruchthandlers then he don't a job to begin with>
ReplyDeleteDon't kid yourself! Rich people like jobs instead of sitting around at home. And haymishe rich people want their krovim to have jobs that (at least appear to be) klei koidesh.
ReplyDeleteFruchthandler has a bunch of relatives that he arranged to be working at Artscroll. Some of them are at the Mesorah Foundation division & it's not even clear what they do to make themselves useful while getting 6 figure salaries.
Leib Pinter also has a bunch of relatives placed at Artscroll. But the biggest stunt of all is that he lived around the corner from Mirrer yeshiva for decades but wouldn't step foot inside. But then he has a son who is in Lakewood kollel for too long who needs a shteller. All of a sudden Leib Pinter is hanging out in the Mir yomam velayla & raising $$$ for them. The next thing you know his son is made rebbi in the mesivta & Leib gets a desk in the financial office. A lot of people were upset about this. The whole story was not being told to the rosh yeshiva ztl. When someone finally told the rosh yeshiva ztl the "REST OF THE STORY", at least Pinter no longer had a desk until he re-enrolled in the "Cheder" Upstate where he was gabbai of the same minyan where Sholom Rubashkin is the baal tokaya. There is a tzad hashoveh there. R' Yudel has information about the propriety of Agri fleish and the NY Times reported in the 1970s about a Congressional investigation that found Pinter was selling treif baloney & cheese sandwiches as "kosher".
http://www.wbng.com/story/33830851/milk-production-begins-at-southside-plant-after-four-years-and-new-owners
ReplyDeleteMountain Fresh Dairy Partner Zeev Rothschild.
Most of the pipes and tanks were removed when the old plant closed, so Mountain Fresh Dairy had to purchase all the equipment seen in the plant today.
Employment will also be coming back to the southside, as Mountain Fresh Dairy will produce around the clock and will need experienced hands.
"Right now this building, including us and the tenants we're going to have here, [will] probably have 25 people working here within a very short time. Then we can grow to 50, 75 in the short future," Rothschild continued.
This project has been in the works for about three years, as they have been met with many delays along the way.
"We've just had big, delay after delay after delay. We're just happy the city worked with us and the county worked with us and we finally got it finished," said Plant Manager Gary Bensley.
"Everything has to be perfect and thank God we achieved that," said Rothschild.
Mountain Fresh Dairy plans to distribute the milk to larger cities in New York and New Jersey, and they are working with stores across Upstate to distribute locally.
They also have equipment ready to begin producing Kosher cottage cheese after milk production is established.
If the camp refuses to put in a national hashgacha for their kitchin there is always Dougie's.
ReplyDelete(845) 436-4441. They deliver if its a big order. (get together with friends)
But no leafy veggies or salads. (Dougie's customer don't eat that anyway).
Go Dougie's Go
ReplyDeleteDougies is now open. Yea.
ReplyDeleteThere may have been some B'datz Matzah served in Bnos
ReplyDeleteUh Oh. All thos females will now intermarry Chas V'shoolim.
It’s a bit late to solicit camp business once they are open. This should be done in January.
ReplyDeleteBut,Yudel, you should try to get all Yeshivahs and Bais Yaakov’s under your world renowned Hashgacha now.
Start by offering free service for a month and then just charge for your direct costs for a month then add a bit for indirect costs and then add another bite for a bit of profit and then more for lost revenue .... why am I telling you how to make a living as world renowned Mashgiach a kosher service provider?
Are children being molested behind the deep fryer?
ReplyDeleteKolko's favorite place as reported by NY Magazine from several victims was the basement boiler room in Torah Temimah.
ReplyDeleteAnother 'Eid Echod' a reporter from NY Magazine.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's deh ganzeh mayseh. Shame on you.
Why bother with any hashgacha when it will be substandard. As is the theme on this site.
ReplyDeleteThere are a bunch of liars out there covering up for molesters (like July 11, 1 pm) who keep trying to shut down any identifying of molesters with the bogus tactic that there are no EDIM.
ReplyDeleteYou don't need EDIM when the sugya is KOL of ERVAH. A proper KOL is like EDIM by itself.
Don't be fooled by this cover upper gang protecting molesters even if they wear long and if they are given the microphone at Agudah events. They know the halacha but purposely distort it because their agenda is protecting molesters, their agenda is not a Torahdik one.
"Why bother with any hashgacha when it will be substandard. As is the theme on this site."
ReplyDeleteAnother Chuchem from a hashgocho that's been exposed for it's corruption. He thinks he can convince everyone to disregard R' Yudel with a line that would be sharf IF it was true.
The world loves pesakim on the comment section of the internet which has Precedence over Genuine Daas Hatorah and Genuine Halacha.
ReplyDeleteThe world loves when these same commentators don’t like these psakim, not only do they ignore them but they use nivul peh against these very gedolim and then shop around for pesokim that were never noigeah lemashe just a theoretical response to a baited question/shahalah.
If the particular Godol / Posek / Godol does not respond as preplanned there goes they apply nivul peh with all its trimmings.
When confronted the response is they are remorseful which is just a bunch of Apikores hogwash.
You can say / comment / cite whatever you wish the fact that you guys are bunch of terrorist terrorizing gedolim has already been established long ago and is from the oldest playbook around.
Thu Jul 16, 07:49:00 PM is just OU mashgiach Yanky for the gazillionth time, being ever the hypocrite. He was mechalel Shabbos for years to violently throw rocks by hafgonos when he lived in Israel. He claims backing of the Edah who actually say such hafgononiks are possul l'edus. And of course all the other gedolim asser it.
ReplyDeleteHis biggest agenda after constantly trying to disrupt R' Yudel's website, whom he HATES with a passion, is to argue against every comment exposing molesters because he has molesters in his mishpooche.
What’s your molesting excuse?
ReplyDeleteCooGarndneh????
https://matzav.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/KCL-camps-768x501.jpg
ReplyDeleteGeneral Answers:
ReplyDelete1. 99% of established camps have a on-site Moreh Horoah.
2. Moreh Horoah responsible for this.
3. 99% of camps can't afford "strawberries, blueberries, raspberries" in their budget.
4. 99% of camps have a frum chef in charge and is in kitchen at all "halachick" times.
5. see # 4 above.
6. See # 4 above.
7. See # 4 Above.
8. 99% of camps are locked at night but NOT FRIDAY Afternoon (If they locked friday afternoon one has to be crazy to send their kids there - unless its a desperate diet camp).
9. once again, 99% of camps have VERY separate kitchens.
10. See # 9 above.
11. 99% of camps have no situations that require seals
12. Hope that no camp has a "ETC" clause not in the kitchen or in their kashrus or in their staff.
In case of the unpredicted emergency one can ALWAYS call Reb Yudel Shlita. In Kashrus + other inyanim - Reb Yudel ALWAYS has the correct answer only.
A gangster running a certain Bais Yaakov revoked a girl's acceptance after the father asked about the kashrus in the kitchen.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Yudel has a few opening for this Summer
ReplyDeleteIf the father asked about the KASHRUS then he thinks its no good so why would the camp be maahshil this poor frum girl? Thus, AL PI DAAS TAIRAH , don't accept her so she won't be nichshal in all kinds of CAMP Kashrus issues CHAS VESHOLOM..
ReplyDeleteAKO Camp Kashrus Committee
ReplyDeleteRabbi Moshe Kaufman (KVH) Co-Chairman
Rabbi Sholom Tendler (Star K) Co-Chairman
Rabbi Josh Finegold (Buckeye Kosher)
Rabbi Yitzchak Hanoka (OK)
Rabbi Levy Feigelstock (ORB)
Rabbi Shaul Gallor (Rhode Island Kosher)
Rabbi Avrohom Juravel (OU)
Rabbi Eli Markowitz (cRc)
Rabbi Yitschok Rowe (OVO)
Rabbi Nesanel Snow (Kof K)
Rabbi Moshe Schreck (KM)
Rabbi Sholem Fishbane (AKO)
You forgot the chairman of the holy free frress board:
ReplyDeletecoo-cco-ri-coo.
Oh, as if the OU mashgiach in Queens who wrote the previous comment never tagged along with his brother to score Free Fressing Galore at Agudah Fresser Events
ReplyDeleteDon't forget you had a super FRESS at the Adirei Tairah event nothing compared to the Aguda or TU events.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry the raisonette didn't allow for the West Coast Pope to join you there. Thus you had a double super free fress.
YUM........
If your camp buys from Bloomies dorten in leffers, it needs no hachsher. it self kosher.
ReplyDeletehttps://4.bp.blogspot.com/-khFLK_5svWc/WvUfN4urYqI/AAAAAAAJLW4/jESuftsN5VYqaEaZnzQtmBtUf_Qbe69-wCLcBGAs/s1600/%D7%9B%D7%93%D7%AA%D7%99%27%D7%94.jpg
ReplyDeleteYou keep hocking about the camps for years already, just open your own camp as you did with the hadassium etc.
ReplyDeletePlease tell us which camp produces the most intermarriages.
ReplyDeleteMy kid's camp stay was revoked when We asked what steps they take to avoid molesters.
ReplyDeleteComing to think of it, it was the best question we asked.
Assuming he is a gangster, he is right. He is not looking for any trouble from Reb Yudel directly or on the bounce.
ReplyDeleteJust heard in the yenteh gaas: Camp Bnos will be getting their food from BMG kitchen. They thought they heard that BMG kitchen is still under Reb Shneur's hashgacha with his specially appointed Mashgiach.
ReplyDeleteCamp is unaffordable to many. Add a National hashgacha with a mashgiach timidity plus a bungalow for the whole - usually large - Mishpoocha and the may as well
ReplyDeletehttps://gitmorgen.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Git-Morgen-Thursday-06.15.23.pdf
ReplyDeleteVaad Hakashrus al ydei Mosdos Hatorah Willy teaming up with Sachdis on summer camps