Wednesday, June 04, 2025

KOSHERICA style AND OTHERS Marketing "Yeshiva week" kosher cruises!

  Kosher at Sea: A Voyage into Illusion

The sky was a watercolor of pastels as the Emerald Majesty, a five-star cruise liner, pulled away from the port, her decks glittering under the sun like polished glass. Laughter echoed across the vast ship as thousands of passengers, in shorts and sundresses, scattered across pools, spas, and endless buffet stations. Amid the hum of festivities and the gentle churn of ocean waves, a more serious mission was quietly underway.

Dave, a seasoned events facilitator known across the industry for organizing grand-scale affairs, was aboard. Though not frum, Dave had worked closely with many Jewish clients over the years. He’d heard the buzz—kosher cruises were the new frontier of luxury. Frum families, Yeshivish businessmen, and even noted Rabbanim were now choosing ocean voyages billed as “fully kosher,” complete with Shiurim, Minyanim, and lavish kosher meals. But something gnawed at Dave’s instinct. He’d seen too much behind the curtain of event logistics not to wonder: How kosher is kosher at sea?

The Emerald Majesty carried over 4,500 souls—passengers and crew. Only around 250 were kosher-observant. Dave took quiet note of the math. The kosher kitchen, modestly tucked into a lower deck, was dwarfed by the sprawling ship-wide culinary operations spread across five different floors. Food storage. Pastry prep. Dairy refrigeration. Meat thawing. Fish filleting. All in different corners of the vessel.

He observed the Mashgichim, a small crew, each trying their best. But Dave was trained to spot systemic failures—not personal ones. In one kitchen, he watched as a treif griddle, recently used to cook cheeseburgers, was sprayed down with boiling water as a form of kashering. He knew enough to understand that such equipment required libun chamur—a direct flame, glowing coals, or a torch. Hot water alone would never do. Yet this shortcut was repeated. Day after day. Griddle after griddle.

Even more jarring: grills labeled “DAIRY” yesterday were now marked “MEAT.” The only cleansing? Another hasty splash of hot water. No fire. No burn-off. No halachic reset.

One morning, Dave joined a group at a shiur delivered by a Rabbi flown in for the cruise. Polished. Charismatic. Speaking passionately about emunah and bitachon. Yet just hours earlier, Dave had asked a Mashgiach whether the tray of fresh croissants in the dining hall was Parve, dairy, or had any proper labeling at all. The answer: “We think it’s parve. It came from one of the ship's bakeries.”

One of them?

At lunch, he noted dozens of unwrapped meat trays being wheeled from a general freezer. No visible Hashgacha. No labels. When asked, a Mashgiach simply shrugged. “They were stored in the kosher freezer. That’s usually a good sign.”

Usually?

But most chilling was the silence. Signs clearly stated: No Guests Allowed in Kitchen. But even more concerning—Mashgichim had been warned not to interact with guests. “Maintain separation,” they were told. “It’s a security policy.”

What it felt like, Dave observed, was a policy of concealment.

To the outside world, the cruise was spectacular. The frum crowd danced at kumzitzes on the upper deck under stars. Elegant buffets of chulent, schnitzel, and fresh-baked challah were served with flair. Children wore yarmulkes and girls sang zmiros as photographers snapped away.

But Dave had seen too much.

He’d seen the pastries with no source. The mishandled meat. The reused equipment. The unasked questions. The guessed answers. He’d seen Mashgichim overworked and under-trained, trying to keep pace in a behemoth system not designed for halachic integrity.

When he disembarked, Dave was resolute. “They can bring all the Rabbanim they want onboard. They can give all the shiurim and hand out kashrus certificates. But without real oversight, without understanding of halacha, without transparency—there is no Si’yata Di’Shmaya on these ships. It’s not kosher. Period.”

He hadn’t even touched the other concerns—of mingling, tznius breaches, the spiritual atmosphere. That, he said, was a separate storm.

But this storm—of misrepresenting kashrus—was real, and roaring just beneath the glimmering waves.

Takeaway:
Even the most luxurious kosher cruise cannot substitute for genuine kashrus vigilance. Without true halachic standards, experienced oversight, and transparency, kosher at sea becomes an illusion—one that risks both body and soul.

   

 You can't say "I didn't know".

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Rav Osher Weiss, is moving into place as one of the OU's senior poiskim-בואכם לשלום

Anonymous said...

Nah, Reb Osher Weiss's phone number is 1-800 d-i-a-l-a-h-e-t-e-r.

He knows how to dance on all chasunahs. chasidic, mizrachee, and all in between. A very polished Rav.

Anonymous said...

So that's why the OU needs him.
He could even out do Rabbi Belsky in heteirem.

Anonymous said...

You are also profiting from Kosherica by always truing to get people to your web site when they hear Yudels has more 'stuff' on Kosherica.
Also how do you know what goes on at Kosherica? Did you see it or did you hear it or do you assume things? Did you ever go on a cruise with them?

Anonymous said...

R' Osher Weiss is good friends with the mishpocho of the OU's posek from YU, Hershel Schechter. He even stays by Schechter's mechutan on a regular basis when he comes to America.

He hangs out in wealthy modern orthodox places when he visits NY. That may be to get funding for his seforim.

This is perfect for Genack's complicated criteria. A rov mit shmoyna begudim that is palatable to the modern orthodox.

Anonymous said...

Yudel, do you do work for any hashgocho that allows any kind of infested fruit or vegetable, even if they don't allow it on the occasions when you work for them?

Tom Cruise said...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Kosherica's rabbonei machshir tell Rav Wikler they are doing one standard in kashrus while implementing something that is less?

Like you've never seen something like that happen elsewhere?

Anonymous said...

The OU has had it with Belsky. They tried to sweep his various scandals under the carpet like defending the indefensible ie Yudi Kolko and Yossi Kolko. But the makka bepatish seems to be the 5 Towns & Far Rockaway rabbonim, both yeshivish & modern orthodox, who condemned Belsky in a public letter and told him he is not welcome to visit their shuls & yeshivos after he attacked them on behalf of Dovid Weinberger. They cancelled the Torah Vodaas fundraising Shabbos which is estimated to have cost the yeshiva $200,000.

But the OU is still officially keeping Belsky on so that he does not drag them through dinei Torah.

Yudel Shain said...

R' Wikler didn't ask Kosherica anything about their kashrus, only about the charge for the full page add. Plus perhaps for a write-up as well by kashrus magazine, so kashrus magazine can entice the gullible kosher consumer to eat treif on kosherica?

Not everything is the dollar.

Anonymous said...

Rabbi Shain,

Whenever Rabbi Wikler lists a kosher certifier in his directory he asks the particular rabbis what their standards are because he likes to know for various reasons. So maybe he didn't speak directly to Kosherica but he did speak to the rabbis. How many chassidishe rabbonim do you know for instance who claim to maintain a level of mehadrin min hamehadrin when it is anything but?

I can tell you that he kept one ad that I know about out of the magazine because he found out about a kashrus scandal with that company and their national certifier would probably attack him if they knew if he was blacklisting it.

Anonymous said...

Does R' Osher Weiss hold of Schechter's feminist meshugassen that have no basis in hilchos gittin?

Yudel Shain said...

I did have individuals on the kosherica treif tours that observed some of the treifus served to the kosherica clients.

I don't if you realize that the non-kosher cruise ship has something like 5000 people and only 2-300 are kosherica patrons. The cooking facilities & refrigerators, freezers are spread out on a few floors.

Bottom line the people are taken for a ride "literally".

I also spoke to a devastated former mashgiach that confirmed what I knew already.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty surprised that you have long claimed that R' Manish Spitz is such a superb hashgocho when he certifies Kosherica.

Kosherica for this reason alone is mamash despicable. They have a long list of rabbis who are their "scholars in residence". Never mind that some of those rabbis are krum. They lump together with the rabbis the well known Harvard legal expert Alan Dershowitz who went off the derech after graduating the old Eitz Chaim Yeshiva of Boro Park & who today is a big menuvol advocating things in his books that are so disgusting they cannot even be mentioned on a family friendly website.

Biting the hand that feeds? said...

Why are you attacking Rav Wikler of all people when he has not gone along with the "establishment" routine of attacking or at least belittling you? Did you first go to him privately about the specific knowledge you have of Kosherica?

I have supported you and even suffered retaliation from the "establishment" over it but now worry you might also attack me one day without any warning over something I lav davka know about.

Anonymous said...

The Shayleh is even greater.
Can I do busuness with Reb Yudel since he is profiting (non-financial is also profiting) from bashing (maybe correctly) Kosherica (Treif Business)