Why is Cleveland so behind in kashrus, they are always hiding, no transparency.
"Cleveland kosher" and above establishments kashrus, operates Right out of the Star-K's guidebook on deception
Is it kosher?
Is their kashrus something that I'm comfortable with?
When one operates with deception, one can never know.
Kosher Consumers take heed.
Cleveland Kosher is a Star-K puppet,
Cleveland kosher learned deception from the masters of deception.
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Cleveland kosher is shorthanded to say the least.
Star-K are the masters of deception, as many in kashrus are aware already.
It may be fully acceptably kosher in spite of being deceptive, but that's playing Russian-Roulette.
The Star-K is so good at deception, that they deceive their own people also.
Are the Major kosher certifiers like the OU, OK, Kof-K, CRC, AKO being deceived by the Star-K's deception?
You can't argue with success.
Wasn't the Star-K the force behind the creation of AKO, and their sole purpose was for deception of the kosher certifiers who are referred to as "Gullible" by the Star-k.
Is this the TELZER version of KCL?
B'H for SOME improvement.
Instead of saying they are outright not kosher they changed (lechovod Elul - we presume) to 'I'm not comfortable..." which is justified within the shmiras Haloshon rules.
Deception ???!!!!
Well, considering that there are blog sites that survive on pure deception, such as if you don't respond to us your automaticly deceptive, why would any Hashgacha report, talk or communicate with such blogs sites??? Including, but not limited to the OU, OK, CHOF-K, CRC - Chicago and Satmar - , or even Trianglr-K ? Not even AKO.
If not serving a drink is a Kashrus indicator, we are in big trouble. Since if you DO serve a drink your kosher immediately.
is it chalalv stam?
What about the Cleveland Charedishe hashgocho, Rav Blum? And there's a different private hashgocho on Unger's market.
Any truth to rumors of Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express being caught with treif?
http://www.kosherchinese88.com/
Do they pay the hashgocho fee on time? They appear to still be under OK.
Klal gudol: Paying the fee pinktlich on time is zeyer vichtig!
Police Officer Who Made Antisemitic Comments Will Keep Job, Cleveland Officials Announced
TELZER version of KCL?
After Telz was deestroyed over petty squabbles, they need something to do.
"Right out of the Star-K's guidebook on deception"
Cleveland Kosher's Rabbi Burnstein is Cleveland's local Young Israel rabbi. He was originally a Ner Yisroel boy who became assistant rabbi to Rabbi Heinemann at Agudah Baltimore.
Trust me ...
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/archives/ask-the-cjn-archive/article_960c2958-998f-11e3-a7c1-001a4bcf887a.html
Cleveland Kosher is an excellent hashgocho, really on top of things!
It's an old problem, the Cleveland Hashgochas are guided by the Star-K: enough said.
Everyone eats Star K
But very few ever heard of yudelstake.
The Dor was not zocheh to eat kosher.
Just so you know- Most major kosher certifiers, including the OU, do not accept Star-K ingredients from many countries. They consider the Star-K a scam, but politically they can't come out in public.
Same with Reb yudel.
Most people follow all of Reb yudels suggestions just in public they bashmootz him because that politically correct today.
Naive oylam in Cleveland which explains how the hashgocho is getting away with the Star K deceptions.
They actually let Spero stick around & come to all the shuls with a big, demented smile on his face. They also let their kids play with Spero's kids.
Cleveland Kosher is a Star-K puppet, Cleveland kosher learned deception from the masters of deception.
Chaim Schwartz is a Modern Orthodox Queens Vaad puppet, said himself he learned everything he knows from KVH, the org that was full of Conservative "rabbi" members
Everyone in Monsey ate Shevach Meats under the hashgocho of the YSV rebbeyim
But very few ever heard of yudelstake
The Shtot was not zocheh to eat kosher
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1104541.html
Now please defer to Chaim Isaac Spero, whom when I was President of YSV, I recognized as the Ish Ne'eman vos er iz, and shtelled avek that Monsey shall consider him posek basra for all inyanei Cleveland, and later where he moved, Minneapolis & Flatbush.
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/questions-surround-kosher-hot-dog-stand-at-progressive-field/article_2e97fd2a-0737-11e6-99ea-cf66aa8536a2.html
Talk about dropping the ball, which Cleveland Kosher pathetically tried to dress down as a "glitch".
Figures one of the culprits in this Progressive Field scandal was Delaware North. That's the food service company whose top lawyer is husband of NY Gov. Kathy Hochul, which is why there is a corruption scandal of her diverting $1.1 billion in taxpayer funds as corporate welfare to a billionaire, in a deal that Delaware North also benefits from. So the Satmar Aronis & Skver also ended up supporting people who are machshil with treif.
What about these competing hashgochos?
R' Moshe Einstadter, Rov of Torah Utefila on Eva Cohen Caterers.
The Chabadsker R' Sholom Ber Chaikin on Yacov's Restaurant.
The Chabadskers at Zemach Zedek shul on Green Pastures Poultry.
R' Binyomin Grunwald, Torah LIFE Rosh Kollel, on Unger's.
"Reliable Kashrus of Cleveland", R' Mordechai Kaplowitz & R' Binyomin Stein on caterers & a bakery.
Vaad Harabbonim Hachareidis (R' Yehuda Blum of Khal Yereim & R' Moshe Garfunkel) on a few gesheften.
Ches Kosher (the Charlop duo, father is a YU moderner, son became yeshivish & went to Brisk). They have major national accounts like Pepsi, Starbucks, etc.
YIGC Kosher is a joke. It's Burnstein by himself on things that even Cleveland Kosher is uncomfortable to certify.
Quality Kosher is one of the Spero boys & I don't know any bnei Torah who ate from him even before Chaim Isaac got caught with the treif.
Sun Nov 27, 10:55:00 PM 2022
The shul members get paid so they let their kids play with S. But in the future They'll sue S. With the aid of JBDA (and a gezunteh cut for them) and everyone will make back their money big time. Sounds like a good investment. That why we are all here to get these kind of ideas.
Mon Nov 28, 12:42:00 AM 2022
Thats a bigfat lie. I'm Moicheh for the koovid of our 'poisek achron' vos hut tzeezoogen imertim. Lakewood, Monsey, Qveens, 5T, Passiac, Baltimore, Clevland, LA, Chicago, BP, Williamsburg, Flatbush plus the unpublished cities, groceries, hotels and all other inyanim that he controls.
Yanky the OU mashgiach from Kew Gardens is really bored when he goofs off 24/6 at both the so called kollel and when the OU is paying him to ostensibly at least keep an eye on kashrus, that he has to keep chiming in to Yudelstake to furiously type nonstop nonsense. The reason why the Cleveland oylem goylem allowed their kids to play with Chaim Izak Spero's kids, and allow him into their shuls, is because some rabbonim who have a constant on switch for cover ups, said oy nebich it's not fair to make him a pariah just because he fed a whole city treif meat fraudulently presented as kosher.
Ah Modernah stays ah Modernah even if he did, does or is planning to do Brisk.
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/2539603/united-states-v-rubashkin/?q=cites%3A1199788
In the trial of Sholom Mordechai Rubashkin, the Spero sentencing is invoked 5 times as a mayseh rav that no matter how much of an animal the criminal is, they have to go leicht on his punishment.
Mon Nov 28, 02:10:00 PM 2022
Thets the free fress CCRC version. But that nothing to do with the Emes.
Aye Mashgiach, totty went to pro-college yeshiva Touro Vodaas & fetter Georgie went to YU, so what does that make you?
Oh shoin fargessen, you said yourself "there are no Charedim in Queens"!
There were certainly Einstadters who were metzuyonim in Brisk & Kaplowitz's son was in Brisk.
However, Brisk does not necessarily cure corrupt people. Look who went into kashrus after Brisk: Weissmandl & Babad 20th Ave. Then the following sent their sons to Brisk: Ralbag, David Schick, Leib Pinter & Moish Finkel.
Someone snap the Queens OU mashgiach out of his chaloimos. He keeps attacking every word on this site with a false confidence as if he's got a velt of supporters. All he has in actuality are a few chanfening cronies: relatives (& appreciative molesters and thieves that he fights for 'the cause'), some Rebbela who no one in the heimishe velt is bakant with, along mit Bondi, Feder, Greenberg, Kramer & Amsel. Kind of thin.
Oh yes, the shady owner of a camp in the mountains who lives in Far Rockaway also 'holds' of the mashgiach. He was boasting that he won't break any laws during the panedemic "unless R' Dovid Feinstein says to". Meanwhile he was breaking all those laws, obviously without R' Dovid's approval. The State suspected him so they investigated. He told investigators with a straight face that he broke no laws. So they played back to him all the evidence farkert that they had recorded on surveillance drones. What an 'ehrlicha' guy for the OU mashgiach to have on his team!
At least he hangs out in the Kollel all week.
But you hang out at Bloomies all week shopping for the next fress.
And if you ever show up at the Kollel everybody knows that there must be a fress there.
It makes sense the Queens OU mashgiach is covering up for Spero because the mashgiach's uncle George R. was directly involved with Leib Pinter's treif baloney-cheese sandwich scam to feed "kosher" to all the Jewish kids in NYC public schools. (George was also hit with criminal charges in another aspect of that scam)
What does not make sense is the mashgiach referring to his hangout as a "kollel" when he's the only member and when the routine there is he plops himself down to rehash all the hock on Yudelstake & from KG.
Then he's bent out of shape if someone got etlicher freebies by the grocer while he takes big bucks from the wealthy modernah in eastern Queens who gullibly think he's "learning".
Aye OU mashgiach,
Although the website for Hadar Bet Yaakov curiously no longer lists the Mrs as Menahelet,
https://bukharianjewishlink.com/images/resized/images/stories/news/2018/111219/44_400_268.jpg
she was for sure still Menahelet when they were mechabed this ferd to address everyone, the same ferd Conservative Jew masquerading as "Orthodox" when he sponsored every toyeveh law ever introduced in NYC Council.
Vus iz? Mechuton Bryks didn't corrupt the Queens Bucharees enough already? You guys have to team up with David nuch dem?
The fellow who was the long time personal attending doctor to the father-son RYs in Philthy Philly is a BT who grew up in Cleveland while trying to keep traditionally kosher. The essen in Cleveland sounds like a substantial source of timtum as the foundation for his mamzer-making zoyna daughter with the 2 husbands that the RYs closely guard (incidentally as additional liars who falsely claim deference to R' Dovid Feinstein!)
For a shoots Briskeh you know all the “molessssteeers” and alleh corrrrruuuupt shaineh yeedin that support you and Brisk. It almost sounds from you that Brisk also only gets their ‘zevooloon’ from these same people.
And you have the audacity to claim you know Brisk.
Molestirs and molesting is your specialty.
OU mashgiach, in the tradition of your corny jokes, if the rebbitzen is the big honchoette at Camp Maayan Midwest in the same State as Detroit, does that make her the Michiganner Rebbetzin & you the Michiganner Rebbe k'eiss b'Qveens?
"corrrrruuuupt shaineh yeedin that support you and Brisk ... you have the audacity to claim you know Brisk"
You certainly don't know the first thing about Brisk.
There are no tuition payments & they do not otherwise take money from those banditten or any others like them al pi halachos in Choishen Mishpot of hanoah from geganvenne gelt, bifrat for hekdesh. If a banditt still mutches shtark in an attempt to give, then his son doesn't get into shiur. Half of the banditten mentioned above got their sons into Brisk before the skandallen about them emerged. For the remaining pair of degenerates, the Flatbush machers who are 'reliable' as 'do gooders' covered everything up. Pinter's ganvening got a big dose of revisionist history az er toot aless far Tayreh kaviyochel, and no one brought up about the treif until your friend Mendlowitz dug up the 1970s newspaper articles & made a public awareness campaign 15 years ago.
Wow. One day in the kollel surfing as CCRC determines the purpose of kollelim.
But at least they banged into him some partial truth. He is now a 'moideh B'miktzas' BARUCH HASHEM regarding his "etlicher freebies" free at Bloomies.
If you came a bit more often you'll accomplish there what you couldn't accomplish in Brisk in ever HaYam.
Mon Nov 28, 10:57:00 PM 2022
Anybody know or understand 'vos ehr vill' ??
Mon Nov 28, 11:14:00 PM 2022
Are we saying that all "attending doctor"s are frim and koosher ??
...the Michiganner Rebbetzin & you the Michiganner Rebbe k'eiss b'Qveens...
Yes. we are looking for kvitlach WITH a sheineh pidyon to 'helf arouse fatzooresteh yeeden' such as yourself.
...your friend Mendlowitz dug up the 1970s newspaper articles & made a public awareness campaign 15 years ago.
You mean the WEST COAST POPE who together with our host on the east coast invented Free LH passes for absolutly non-toeles outright LH, Rechilus and MSR. Right ???
And if in Brisk they are so makpid with this hanoah thing does it make a difference when 'the skandallen about them emerged' ? Did they return the "hot" gelt ? and to whom ? And when ??
Comon now. Invent this new American frimkeit briskeh thing that you give back all skandallen gelt even after the Rov and some of the Children Zatzal are not here anymore and thus UNDO the Hanoah lemafreah.
Or are there two (maybe three or four) dinim fahr a bissrl gelt ??
Comon. Come up with something innovative. You did do Brisk. This should be a easy one for you.
And you gotto love this part. If the Father was a bit crooked the straight gotto suffer for life. Like: YES yumsu bonim al avosom...
"Anybody know or understand 'vos ehr vill' ??"
Seems pretty poshut, Mr. OU Mashgiach, that someone is barvorning that your significant other half may have lost her job as principal of the Buchareeamundo Beit Yaakov and is wondering why. And that she definitely was still on the payroll when the warped Liberal gay advocate D.W. was brought to give a speech to the whole Beit Yaakov. (His accomplice is KG tzedreiter Taub who is similar shnit vee eich) Can you read? Upon opening the picture from the Buchareeamundo newspaper, you see the big prop they put behind him with Hadar Bet Yaakov written all over it.
In the meantime I was able to decipher that amusing post about your inner circle. What's this about you & the (unnamed) Pfeiffer being tight? One thing is for sure that he's an even bigger Agudist wannabe than you are. Funny stuff!
"LH passes for absolutly non-toeles outright LH, Rechilus and MSR. Right ???"
Wrong, actually!
You, OU Mashgiach, have a one track mind to supress all toeles info, as a means of protecting the many skeletons in your closet.
Vos zugt Reb Yeruchim der Mirrer Mashgiach?
Cleveland kashrus history lesson. Chaim Spero restaraunt was found out in'95. He was then run out of town. (though not right away). At the time the primary Cleveland hashgocha was VHK. Due to the Chaim spero story, there was a shakeup of kashrus in Cleveland and Cleveland Kosher was born. It is run by a yerei shamayim and baal halacha whom I know personally. He was not the one running VHK. I am not familiar with the Milky Way issue. Maybe Reb Yudel or the rest of the oilam can elaborate.
That would be a chiddush if the OU mashgiach is nunt with both Pfeiffers. Shoinaymol the KG ones as she is Krohn's daughter who puts out the kiddie versions of the psychobabble that they call the Maggid series.
It's a bizayon to the Mirrer Mashgiach ztl that the groceries mashgiach, always full of venom toward much of the velt, is making a shmatta out of himself.
And if he's so convinced that this is just an agam of kol dibburim assurim, then he's not allowed to be here anyway.
Alas he just does whatever he wants why acting holier than thou & being poissel bemumoi that it's supposedly y'all who are the ones who "pick & choose" what to listen to ...
The daas chamoirim is not cut from the same cloth as the Daas Chochmoh Umusser.
VKC, not VHK. It was basically Rav Feitman's uncle Ivan Soclof stitching together cooperation between the frei Federation & the rabbonim.
The establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinical Council (ORC) in 1940 enabled Cleveland Orthodox leaders to establish a historic partnership with Cleveland Jewish Federation. This created stable & largely trustworthy kashrut that lasted several decades. In 1945, when Cleveland had 67 kosher butchers, complex negotiations began. As described by a Federation official in 1975:
Two years were spent establishing the institution, convincing all sections of the
community of its validity, need for communal underpinning, and convincing butchers & shochtim to trust communal mashgihim under joint Orthodox & Federation.
The result in 1947 was a Kashruth Board, administered by Cleveland Jewish Community
Council & ORC. The system basically worked, though far from foolproof. In 1963, Rabbi Shubert Spero counted 37 kosher butchers in Cleveland of whom 10, in his opinion, were personally Shomer Shabbat & reliable. He reported to a Toronto rabbi that: ... the system [kashrut] is effective ... not foolproof. Should a butcher deliberately sell traif, I believe he could get away with it, for a time at least. To be safe, all “our” people & institutions (hospitals & JCC) are instructed to buy from Shomer Shabbos butchers.
The alliance between ORC & Cleveland Jewish Federation, established 1947, stabilized kashrut in the city for several decades, while creating the Kashruth Board alongside significant Federation support for 2 Orthodox schools, Hebrew Academy & Yeshivat Adath, also greatly helped breach the wall of mistrust that historically separated the Orthodox from the Federation.
In 1986, ORC co-chairs Rabbis Jacob Muskin & Isidore Pickholz could report “Cleveland's one of few cities where all Orthodox rabbis join in consensus,” Merkaz works with Kashruth Board of Jewish Federation & its Beth Din recognized by Israel Chief Rabbinate.
But stable kashrut wasn't enough to prevent new consumer forces, numerous financially marginal butchers & the passing of an immigrant generation that automatically purchased kosher, from effecting diminution of kosher butchers. In 1947, at the inception of the Kashruth Board, there were 63 kosher butchers in Cleveland. This declined to 37 in 1963, to 12 in 1975 & to 3 by the 1st decade of the 21st century.
More significantly in the late 1970s, Cleveland kashrut came under pressure from the more strictly observant of the Orthodox that looked to Telshe & desired the new “gold standard” kashrut — constant site supervision, in contrast with in & out mashgihim that was Kashruth Board’s norm. Rabbi Abraham Berger stated in 1978 to Cleveland Jewish News: “To be blunt, the Orthodox don't have confidence in the present mode of supervision.” Forces in Orthodoxy, which by the 1970s constituted the core consumers of kosher meat, eroded confidence in kosher butchers continuing to adhere to standards hitherto considered adequate. It culminated in 1990 when Irving’s Meat Market closed. Irving’s was of the last old-style kosher markets with non-Shomer Shabbat owners resisting stringent kashrut like glatt, soaking-salting all meat & site mashgiah.
In 1993, Cleveland saw the founding of Vaad haKashrut of Cleveland (VKC), joint venture of ORC & Jewish Federation. But unlike the previous rabbinic-Federation partnership Kashruth Board, VKC was the result of Federation desire to phase out its 50 year support of kashrut. VKC’s ended in 1998 with the end of Federation funding. The demise of VKC was accompanied by the effective end of ORC too. Replacing VKC were 3 kashrut orgs: Cleveland Kosher led by Rabbi Naftali Burnstein of Young Israel, Reliable Kashrut, led by the last ORC head, Rabbi Doniel Schur & Vaad haRabbonim haChareidim led by Rabbi Yehuda Blum.
the minority in telz with their own pot in the kitchen because they don't eat empire poultry along with the yeshiva - do they eat from the local hashgocho? now that telz fell apart maybe they disappeared, but they were very vocal & prominent in the 1980s
It's the fault of spineless Cleveland rabbonim that Chaim Isaac Spero came to feeding everyone treif. There was other monkey business he was into that they let him get away with
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/clevelandjewishnews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/fb/3fb7bb10-0787-11e4-b2aa-001a4bcf887a/53bd6fe1ef960.pdf.pdf
When there was for instance a concert of many koifer Conservative cantors in the "sanctuary" of a temple that's assur to go inside, Spero was making a cut from selling the concert tickets out of his Peking Kosher
Only in Gur they fire wives.
“I know personally”.
That solves all problems.
Protectzia b”laaz
You couldn’t even write what you say. No reason to be jealous on a guy who has the whole world in his pocket.
It’s tough to watch someone be successful.
As in you can’t fahrgin anyone.
Nothing new.
Sorry I have LH passes for all my debeerim
So why are you on this site.
Actually, the OU wrote the book on firing a wife in retaliation
https://matzav.com/ou-mashgiach-fired-from-montefiore-medical-center-for-enforcing-kashrus/
When OU mashgiach Robert Frank was lynched for being a whistleblower, his wife was also fired from her OU job, and both of them were banned from YU's minyan in the Bronx at the request of the OU. When someone asked why the wife was also fired when she was never involved in any controversy, I think it was OU's Lenny Steinberg who arrogantly mouthed off: "because she's married to him".
"a guy who has the whole world in his pocket"
And Haman, I mean the Queens OU mashgiach said in his heart, on whom would they want to lavish alla sort kuved, except for on ME? Kesser Malchus included!
Wed Nov 30, 09:18:00 AM 2022
I'll added my Name, Right along side Haman to the new shteinzalt Gemarahs and also to the "new" girsaous in oz Vehadar Gemaraas.
The only problem Ill have is the WC Pope may sent his goons after me and force me to put his name (and efshar CCRC too) there instead of mine.
The OU groceries mashgiach in Queens keeps littering all over Yudelstake his condescending shtussim & outright being mevazeh Brisk. He must really have a bone to pick after he couldn't get in to the yeshiva. As the OU groceries mashgiach knowns, the son of Mirrer Mashgiach Ruchni R' Yeruchom learned by the Brisker Rov for FIVE YEARS so you might think the OU mashgiach would show Brisk at least a little bit of respect where it is due.
We all show respect to the whole Brisk dynasty.
With the brisk that you know we all have issues.
No wants to break your heart and tell you……
We are too nice even to your type of guys. Hope there ain’t more like you out there.
Aye OU mashgiach, Not true! You have on these pages made fun of the Brisker Rov ztl & the entire dynasty who you made not nice remarks about.
But at least we know how the OU groceries mashgiach and der gantze mishpooche have protekzia with Yankel Bender for Bryks.
The Agudah Convention has more going on than just the Fressing and Prof. Twerski's tantrum. It's one place where you will find a concentration of alter Williamsburgers. Ich hob gehert from some of them this weekend that the Briskeh son of Mirrer Mashgiach Ruchni R' Yeruchom literally saved the life of Yankel Bender when he was a little boy. One night mitten Chanukah the Bender kinderlach were home without an adult present. One of the kids knocked over the neiros which started a fire. Rav Levovitz noticed the fire & rescued the kids.
Der far, Yankel Bender owes them a big one. (And man did they cash in!)
Like was pointed out you have no clue what a Briskeh considers a bizoyon. And you just proved it again
Seems you’re not bakant with minhoogay villamsboirg.
Chanukah they throw towels at all burning Chanukah lecht. This minhag iz Nuch fin dehr haim
$$ Ka-tching! The OU mashgiach already long cashed in from the secular modernah in Queens even though he despises them, so farvus nisht from the secular chareidi (Bender) oichet?!
And the liar is something else. The OU mashgiach has many times blurted out putdowns of Bais Brisk on Yudels. When someone quoted the Rov that everything in Rishonim has a mekor in Chazal, the OU mashgiach arrogantly huffed that only Brisk would make up something like that.
Sadly many high-IQ people are stupid.
Many liars have silver tongues and can talk a hungry dog off a meat truck.
Some Mashgichim believe they are the best in the world; ask them.
The OU mashgiach has already been compared to con artist Bankman-Fried for the way the mashgiach tries to paint the biggest corrupt garbage hashgochos & moisdos as rosy.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/crypto-smart-money-big-traders-fell-for-sam-bankman-fried/
Here's another way of summing up the OU mashgiach-Bankman-Fried tzad hashuveh.
"Many liars can talk a hungry dog off a meat truck. Some Mashgichim believe they are the best in the world; ask them"
That's a good one. It's even funnier than the zog that a slimy salesman can sell ice to an Eskimo in Alaska.
Chaim Schwartz (behind closed doors of course)says;
This so-called Queens Mashgiach, What he is, we determined to know that already, now it's just haggling over "how cheap he will sell yourself for"?
Who is Schwartz to talk? You should hear Shoinfeld throw his "Executive Drecktor" under the bus when rabbonim outside Queens call to complain about something.
Queens Vaad sure is one fish that shtinks from the head, inclusive of all shlock shamoshim & pathetic wannabes.
....only Brisk would make up something like that...
If some wannabe Briskeh quotes the Rov that does not mean its true. Today every Tom, Dick and Harry today (plus guys like CCRC)who have some 'chochmah' to say quote it in name of one of the briskeh dynasty personalities. There are still many new mayselach coming out today and attributed to Brisk.
So stop burkoving about phony baloney mayselach which you specialize in.
There is some Gass Ruach constantly on the blog who 'knows' Brisk like Joe Biden can memorize a blatt Gemara. It so happens that the sefer Reshimos Talmidim that contains only from talmidei muvhok fun Brisker Rov that actually sat in the Rov's shiur for years & took notes mitten shiur, has that shtikel of Rishonim saying nothing on their own, it's all in Chazal.
The mashgiach has been attacked over this & other baredding he did of the Rov, R' Chaim, etc. But he never offered this defense previously, that he's only criticizing current dime a dozen Briskers. He instead had doubled down on the insults, even apikorsis, against these geonei oylam.
Did something recently 'incentivize' the mashgiach to change his tune? Like maybe horrible things he wrote started getting back and he's afraid that next time he's in Bensonhoist he could get flung out of Beis Hatalmud? For something as bad as the mashgiach's behavior I would imagine things could get really ugly & more dramatic than the time when alter Mirrer R' Leib Chediver threw the water fountain out on to 82nd St! Or even more physical than when the yeshivaleit found out about the bum from Frankel's shul who was secretly going at night to Brooklyn College!
"even apikorsis ... the mashgiach to change his tune"
Upgelernt from his first cousin Shiya R. the Conservative Cantor, vus dem Kantor shreibt in zein autobiographia that he decided he was a koifer while attending the Montreal yeshiva!
You have to be very specific when it comes to the overwhelming numbers of Frankels shul bochurim & their parents who lie through their teeth to roshei yeshiva & the gantz oilam to hide that they go to college. There is one mishpocho who between the sons had lied to Torah Temimah, the Mir, and others. When one of them was discovered, he was not allowed to come to kollel by R' Avrohom Yehoshua. So what do shallow people do when they can't get in to Brisk? He said the heck with learning then & went full time into more chochmos chitzoniyos. Another boy in the mishpocho got R' Shmuel Berenbaum very upset when he was shown the bochur's name in a graduation list published in the Jewish Press. They farenrfered to R' Shmuel that he had a special upmach with the Touro administration that he didn't have to come to classes. A Touro professor has been telling everyone for years that the mishpocho are known liars and the bochur was definitely coming to classes. They also got BMG upset which if I describe exactly how it will be a dead giveaway as to who they are.
You have no clue what they wrote in the reshimos. You have no clue who they are.
Briskeh never use names. Everything is anonymous and for good reason.
And last but not least, even though you claim you sat in some Brisk you have no clue of anything that Links to Brisk.
There were a couple of rebels in BMG who snuck out of the Irvington every night for college classes. One of them wore a suit as if he was going on shidduchim. He didn't even have a car so he used to get in the Legion carpools in the pre-Shomer Shabbos days when the hub was Lakewood Minyan. The rest of the way to & from Brooklyn College was by MTA bus. He graduated Brooklyn without being caught. The other guy, a real nut, was caught going to law school & given an ultimatum to get out by the roshei yeshiva. The mechutzef countered with his own ultimatum of just try him & he will sue. Today he is divorced & tormented his ex-wife dragging her through courts. He won't tell anyone he was ever in Lakewood because no Lakewooder has a nice word to say about him. So he hangs out in a Flatbush shul of "Derech Agav" alumni while giving a shpiel to shadchonim of what a great catch he is.
The Reshimos have the name of the relevant talmid on yedden ketta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder
Wow, the defiant anti-Brisker just doesn't give up
Your big taynos are the ooniversita degrees? Frankels is "dee chushevsteh" shul with the highest per capita rate of members of any shul cycled through the criminal justice system.
Rav Chaim Rottenberg (Kosover) should join the Frankel crooks, as he is the biggest protector of them and has the richest congregants.
Some of the biggest banditten with Frankels affiliation takke migrated up to Rotten-berg & had a big falling out with him. The mikva reid is that a very gvirishe Vizhnitzer, who is shvugger of the biggest lowlife of all from Frankels, suspects the Kossover somehow greenlighted the ones who massered on his frauds to the FBI. When the Shvartza famously showed up with the machete by Kossover Chanukah mesibah, this was no random attack. He was sent by a conspirator with deep pockets. The Shvartza passed by many visible mesibos on the way there. He doesn't have a cent, lives in a fishing shack, yet he somehow has money for a high price legal team who managed to keep him out of jail. Don't take it from me. Major criminal experts who were career NYPD now in private consulting say this was an inside job.
Frankels has a rich history. Some of the banditten were already up to no good back when the shul was in Crown Heights. Some of the celebrities at the current location have been David Schick (international ponzi scheme) & Bergman (dead bodies in nursing home freezer)
This website is a Kol Bo of what needs to get fixed. I heard that a big rosh yeshiva complained that the Agudah, as one example, focuses on the wrong things when trying to fix Klal Yisrael.
Someone from the OU who has an illustrious 2nd job of commenting here certainly does not have the solutions. Maybe he's upset at Brisk because an opponent of his Rebbe in the Estates is named Velvel. It's not too late to make amends with Velvel & Antler. The Rebbe can still sanction a Mishebairach for Bibi to be matzliach in the frum coalition even if he refused to pity Arik Sharon when he was slipping into a coma.
One of the Frankel's undercover brothas in college owns a nursing home today and got in big trouble from the Health Dept. First he held like shitas Philly against all reason and even allowed patients to go to mishpocho at the height of covid for the first Pesach of the pandemic. They tried to hide this from the goyish patients when sneaking the heimishe back in but they weren't successful leading to huge backlash. Then they had an outbreak of a deadly black fungus that goes in lungs which they tried to hide from the government which must be informed to contain the spread. When UOJ outed this creep with documents, he took down the page on the nursing home website that identified him as the owner.
I don't follow that whole inside joke but it makes perfect sense that chevra who despise Brisk would push back against Ariel Sharon whose real name is Ariel Scheinerman.
https://www.geni.com/people/Shmuel-Sheinerman/6000000023965083466
He was born in the alter yishuv but his father Shmuel Scheinerman was born in Brisk.
The great-grandfather was Moshe Scheinerman. I know what you're all thinking. I don't even want to know lol
The Tzioni Prime Minister through the mammas shtamt fun actual early Brisker rabbonim
https://www.geni.com/people/Rabbi-Meir-Wahl-Katzenellenbogen-MaHaRash/6000000000348786317
הרב מאיר ואהל קצנלנבוגן, אב"ד בריסק
https://www.geni.com/people/Benjamin-Lipshutz-ABD-Brisk/6000000004588409492
הרב בנימין בייניש ליפשיץ, אב"ד בריסק
https://www.geni.com/people/Saul-Wahl-Katzenellenbogen-1-day-King/3381535
השר רבי שאול וואהל קצנלבוגן, מלך פולין ליום אחד
https://www.geni.com/people/Yechiel-Yehuda-Luria-ABD-Brisk/6000000000961695458
הרב יחיאל יהודה בן אהרון לוריא (השני), אב"ד בריסק
"big rosh yeshiva complained that the Agudah, as one example, focuses on the wrong things"
Aside from kammah gedolei EY, this has been said on Agudah by Rav Carlebach, R' Mottel Weinberg, R' Shmuel Berenbaum, R' Zelig Epstein. More recently R' Simcha Soloveitchik called them hulivert which roughly translates from Yiddish to hooligans, due to the avlos they did to Rav Carlebach ztl
That nursing home with the corona & black lungs scandals is owned by a major macher on the YSV Board! You know, that "Board" where the fake "elections" are a smokescreen for the regime who protected Moish Finkel to stack it with all their corrupt, insider cronies.
Thanks for enlightening that there is also a previous history with the most corruption scarred kehilla in Brooklyn, if not on the planet.
So ironic! A big zero who can't even lein a blatt Gemara has his kids in YSV because his convicted criminal father has "a few bucks" from stealing. The zero is always kvetching that "there are all these families coming from Brooklyn that WE have to figure out who they are before WE let their kids in to YSV"
Mirrer Rosh Kollel R' Lazer Ginzberg echoed R' Mottel's tayneh about the inappropriate taaruvos in the hallways of the Agudah Fresser Convention.
https://www.yesteryearretro.com/2021/09/commercials-of-yesteryear-motel-6-well.html
Nit nor the Fressers didn't let him speak again, but for years they've even obstructed him from staying in a hotel room on the Fressing weekends.
Why should they roll out the welcome mat for him? One problem with R' Lazer is he pokes around in Flatbush kashrus to see if hashgochos are doing their job. Who does he think he is to question any establishment entity? The nerve! Let him crawl into Yudel Shain's back pocket
Let me guess. The YSV father who can't read any Gemara is the one who wears goyish jeans, speaks with gutter language & says he's "proud" that he was never in any normal yeshiva after he himself graduated 8th grade YSV.
The part your omitting is that he went to some Chasidish joint until seventh grade.
You gotto be confused.
The Agudah convention has mechitzas in every hallway and in the Lobbies.
So that fresseres convention you attended was maybe korveinee, Hoishiaynee, or the newest "Loshon horah, Rechilus and MotzeeShem Rah is Mutar" convention. We won't go into if they fress there or not but all the fressers show up there. Its their Numero Uno Convention to book for lots of LH passes and even more fress per capita.
When did the Agudah supposedly introduce mechitzos? I stopped going to the Convention in the 90s. The scene there was already a big turn off, what nailed it for me is I found out many gedolim don't hold of the org. I was late to learn after drinking the communal Kool Aid. The brewing turnoffs? Not just that that the mingling was jam packed, but because of the fashion show that the Hungarian veiber were making out of it. Perhaps worst of all was a specific tall Ingrisher with the moustache & homburg who is always *running* to the Ave J & East 16th train stop to buy his Jewish Press every week. (People still read that fossil?). This charachter was always not all there, but it was scary to watch him in action at the Convention. Every time they announced a speaker was commencing, he would run as if he was holding the football for the winning touchdown at the Superbowl. If anyone was in his way, they were just collateral damage while they were flung tze di alleh zeiten or flattened under him!
No, the Zero's mishpocho has not been chassidish for a few doros. He certainly was not in any Chassidish "joint" at any time. They are more noiteh to modderen than to heimish.
But we can always count on you for your divrei rake comments that bash Tuna Beigels who du cholomst are pursuing YSV. Speaking of "joints", what are you smoking? You push the 'Tuna Beigel trying to get into YSV' myth all the time when YSV does not & will not ever even consider Tuna Beigels for enrollment. They don't get interviews. Emporer Sruly Orzel has so commanded that YSV not give them the time of day.
So tell us, you who other blog participants ID as an OU hocker, what is your obsession with Tuna Beigelach? Do you have a score to settle with them? Or are you one of these overgrown infants who makes dumb jokes out loud to then laugh out loud, as the only one who thinks what you blurt is funny?
YSV servers tuna all the time.
But only quality tuna not tuna Beigels. That they leave for places like Bloomies so the free fressers can have a good time with them.
1. It’s a good gezunteh FREE fress.
They have lots of fodder for this site to comment and waste their fress time on.
Thu Dec 08, 08:52:00 AM 2022
They did it to stop him from all the "michshoilim" going on there.
Also they saved him and RLG from from saying and repeating Loshon hoorah.
he himself graduated 8th grade YSV
Your wrong. He graduated from Vein and is sueing now to get the state to teach him some Gemarah.
...I found out many gedolim don't hold of the org. I was late to learn after drinking the communal Kool Aid...
If they get invited - for free - they all of a sudden 'don't hold of the Org.' If you went to yenneh yeshivahs in Yisrooel you would know better about these 'kovod hatorah' games.
When did the Agudah supposedly introduce mechitzos? I stopped going to the Convention in the 90s
Interesting. hasn't attended a convention for 30 years and zoogt daiyis of whats going on there based on second hand info.
Oh. Forgot he deleted hilchos loshon horah from his 'bible'.
Emporer Sruly Orzel has so commanded that YSV not give them the time of day.
Just like the Chasidish joints.
It sounds like you are one of those tuna bagels or your heiligeh kindelach are.
The point being that if your a tuna bagel you should apply to the chasidish yeshivah who raised you as such. its not YSV or Orzels issue to interview all the chasidish yeshivah's failures or rejects.
Go post how the Chasidish yeshivah reject thier own heiligeh kinderlach.
But your afraid to do that. That may hit a nerve or a open wound.
Why all this non sense here about yeshivahs
Why don't youy point out the rebbeh and or rosh hayeshivahs that came out of these yeshivahs?
Ysv has raised lots of todays rosh hayeshivas.
YSV did produce gutteh peiros back in the day but that was before the corrupt Board stole the institution from the mishpocho of R' Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, making it so moderen that it's only a slight step up from Ashar day school.
Moshe Scheinerman was mentioned on this page in 2022.
Why is he in Lakewood now? And who took over his shteller on Ave P?
Ah. So we got a Greenbaum Chosid here.
Rabbi RA always ran the ruchnious there. Ah the gashmious ? That runs by itself. But the checks still go to 08701.
@ Thu Dec 08, 10:16:00 PM 2022
That mustachioed, Homburg clad maniac gets around to more places than Ave J & the Agudah Fress Convention. When the King of Kashrus Rav Yosef Eisen invited gantz Flatbush to his famous shiur on bugs that was bashing Star K & Gornish in a roundabout way, it was a traumatizing shter to contend with his giant frame topped with that dumb Homburg that kept helping himself to the free kugel before wrapping up the remainder in foil to take home!
According to past posts from Reb Yudel shlit’a there are no mehadrin people in Cleveland lets alone a mehadrin oilom.
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