DE JA VU- מדה כנגד מדה

 

IDF Issued 1,126 Arrest Warrants To Bnei Yeshivos

ICC issues arrest warrants for Israel's Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas leader

מידה כנגד מידה DEJA VU

 The Israeli High Court rules against the Chareidim, 

        The International High Court rules against Israel and the West Bank.

As Meir Kahana, OB"M said-The UN, USA, Egypt, Quatar, European Union Nations are behind these terrorist attacks

 

ואנשי סדום(VAAD) רעים וחטאים להשם מאוד- אל תהי כסוס כפרד אין הבין

 

Israel and Lakewood through the Eyes of the Moetzes.

 Israel will never finish with the Arabs as long as they abuse the Bnei Yeshivas and the Charedim.

Israel will continue their Harassment of the Bnei Yeshiva, et al as long as Lakewood continues their abuse of the Bnei Yeshiva through their Vaad, KCL and Freezer.

מהרסיך ומחריביך ממך וכו'   

Israeli Rabanut's letter re: concerns of cross contamination of their kosher meat with the non-Glatt SBD & MEALMART BEEF.

 26 Iyar 5784, Monday, 03/06/24

To the Honorable Rabbinical Committee Members:

Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu Shlit"a Rabbi Yitzchak Ralbag Shlit"a Rabbi Eliezer Simcha Weiss Shlit"a

CEO Rabbi Yehuda Cohen y”u Legal Advisor Mr. Harel Goldberg y”u

Subject: Plan for the "Les Feyder" Plant in Uruguay

Due to the unique high speed of slaughter and inspection at the "Les Feyder" plant, which operates at approximately 120 to 140 animals per hour, a request has been made to establish a program that adheres to the stringent standards of rabbinical kosher supervision while accommodating this high speed.

At the committee’s request, I have formulated two possible plans, with the second being preferred according to kosher standards:

1. Approved speed up to 120 animals per hour.
2. Five knife inspectors with the following roles:
• Two slaughterers alternating, each slaughtering one animal per minute, including washing and preparing knives for the next slaughter.
• Two simultaneous slaughterers.
• One additional knife inspector to support and handle knives that need adjustments.
• The inspectors must remain in the slaughter area throughout the entire process, except during factory breaks.
3. Two internal inspectors checking alternately, each inspecting their designated color-coded animals.
4. Two external inspectors working simultaneously, each focusing on their color-coded animals.
5. The team leader will replace the external inspectors every 40 minutes.

Important Note: This plan can only be executed if all team members adhere strictly to the outlined procedures. If not followed precisely, significant kosher issues could arise. Based on past experience, it has been proven that the speed of slaughter and inspection can reach up to 140 animals per hour in this plant.

To avoid problems and ensure proper adherence to kosher standards, I suggest the plant operate with six slaughterers divided into two teams of three each. Each team should consist of two slaughterers and one knife inspector, with an additional inspector for marking and handling non-kosher or kosher animals.

Additional Notes:

1. There must be a supervisor present in the room where heads, tongues, and cheeks are processed, ensuring proper preparation and sealing of the boxes for transfer.
2. Past infractions have shown that soaking and salting times were not adhered to properly. It is essential to ensure these processes meet the required durations.
3. The water temperature for soaking must not drop below 7°C.
4. Due to morning slaughter by American teams, the plant must prioritize the Rabanut’s kosher certification process, ensuring thorough cleaning before Rabanut kosher beef use. In order to avoid cross-contamination of the American beef with the Rabanut’s beef.
5. The plant is equipped with security cameras; it is advised that the rabbinical team should have access to these cameras to monitor all workstations.
6. The plant must send an official letter, signed by a notary, committing to work according to these guidelines in both slaughter and inspection processes.

In prayer that no mishap will occur through us,

Sincerely,

Rabbi Avraham Buchbut Director of Meat Processing Plants and Butcheries

 

SBD and ALLE/MealMart et al staff signed a deceptive letter in order to protect their jobs R"L- The Israeli Rabanut in a letter declared it as NON-GLATT !

 This is addressing the unacceptable Shechitas in South America under the SBD Rabbis Hatchual and  Alle/MealMart under the Nirbater Rav. The Israeli Rabanut's letter considers this American Shechita in that plant as being not kosher. The concerns being Neveilos and Treifos.

Question- Any one signed on this obviously inaccurate letter intended to mislead the Tzibur,  Are they acceptable for any other shechita?

Ask your Rav.

UPDATE: Rabbi Hatchual's SBD "NON-GLATT"

 According to the latest from Israeli Rabbanut sources.

The above-mentioned meat should not be considered as GLATT at this time, until the proper changes are made, including Cameras that are monitored online. 

We will advise when the changes are in place.

Rav Shlomo Machpud's opinion Regarding Rabbi Osher Hatchual's "SBD" beef et al from South America

Rav Shlomo Machpud's opinion  Regarding SBD 
 beef from South America.

It's not Shaiyish, Not Bais Yosef, and it's not even Glatt.

Regarding SBD Veal, others were instructed by their Hacham to kasher their utensils, R"L

The Israeli Rabbanut will not allow it in any Israeli establishments.

Update-2: Cleveland's Mehadrin oilum consumed SBD & MealMart, till they discovered that it was all non-Glatt at best- "time to kosher utensils"

Why is Cleveland so behind in kashrus, they are always hiding, no transparency.

"Cleveland kosher" and above establishments kashrus, operates Right out of the Star-K's guidebook on deception

Is it kosher?

Is their kashrus something that I'm comfortable with?

When one operates with deception, one can never know.

Kosher Consumers take heed.

Cleveland Kosher is a Star-K puppet,

Cleveland kosher learned deception from the masters of deception.

SBD by Chacham Hatchual et al- current situation- Non-Glatt at best- TRUTH V. UN-TRUTHS-Their reputation, truths is not one of their strong points!

Ateret Avrechim: Chacham Ashear will be giving a shiur on the halachot minhagim and practical procedures of KOSHER MEAT PRODUCTION of the SBD.

Tuesday the first day of Rosh Chodesh Elul at 5:15pm @ 923 Quentin Rd 

Some of the Questions to be asked about the SBD Slaughtering at the Las Piedras Plant in Uruguay: Is it any different in any of their other plants? Unlikely!

 

1.  Question-Can a shochet (ritual slaughterer) over 80 years old who can barely walk be trusted as a knife inspector that one can rely on?

1. Answer- If the answer is yes, it is against the Halacha (Jewish law), and if the answer is no, this is what is happening there.

 

2. Question-Is it permissible to slaughter at a speed of 130 or more per hour when two slaughterers are present, one slaughtering and the other inspecting?

2. Answer- If so, it is contrary to the clear Shulchan Aruch (Code of Jewish Law), which states that the knife inspection requires a clear mind and time. If this is forbidden, then this is what is happening there.

 

3. Question-Is it possible to inspect the knife, slaughter the animal, wash the knife twice, and also fix the knife all within less than 25 seconds?

Answer-Certainly, it is not possible, and anyone who says it is possible does not know factually what they are talking about.

4. Question-According to their opinion, is it permissible to check the knife after every two animals and not after each one?

     Answer-If so, they should bring a Halachic proof, because according to most  poskim (Jewish legal authorities), it is forbidden, and if it is forbidden, then that is why are they are doing there.

 

5. Question-Can it be that a slaughterer can slaughter animals at a speed of 130 per hour, one after the other, without needing to fix the knife for at least twenty minutes?

Answer- If they think it is possible, let them show the world the trick to doing it, because every experienced honest slaughterer knows that the answer is that it is impossible, and if not, then this is exactly what they are doing.

 

6. Question-Can an internal lung inspector inspect 130 animals per hour, which means 20 seconds per animal, and also be aware of the entire condition of the lung in those 20 seconds? Note: He must check both sides of the lung.

Answer-If they think it is possible, they must be dealing with angels. And if they think it is not possible, then why are they doing it this way?

7. Question-Can an external lung inspector thoroughly check around 100 lungs per hour, one by one?

Answer-Every experienced truthful external lung inspector knows that it is not simple and cannot reach the level of  Glatt, definitely not "mehadrin" (strict adherence) with such inspection. But they are doing this consistently.

 

8. Question-Does the act of hiding the slaughtering process by placing guards at the factory entrance to prevent anyone from entering, and rejecting any attempt by professionals to visit the slaughter, indicate that there is something to hide?

Answer-The answer is simple: whoever hides has good reasons to hide their actions, which are done in darkness. In this case, the actions were unexpectedly revealed as mentioned in the above questions.

 

 

9. Question- Can a shochet who fears for his livelihood and is forced to sign a letter full of lies still be trusted, in general, and specifically in slaughter?

Answer-No one can be trusted, no matter who they are if they have a direct connection to their financial interests or of the owner. Certainly, if they fear & know that if they do not sign the false letter, they will lose their job as a slaughterer.

 

Conclusion- The current system does not qualify even as plain Glatt, R”L.

 

They must immediately Fix their actions and organize the slaughter process. Instead of getting angry at anyone who exposes the truth or writing letters that have nothing to do with the truth, they should correct things truly. Then, bring in expert neutral slaughterers to check and see if the things are being done as they should. Anything else will fail. Unless they do not believe Torah MI ‘Sinai and don’t believe in the after-world.

 

The root cause of OTD- consuming Rabbi Hatchual's SBD Alle/mealmart S. America and the like.

Sourced from the Rambam, the Ohr Ha'chaiyim, Reb Akiva Eiger, The Chasam Sofer, Rav Zalman Sorotzkin's Oznayim LaTorah , etc. 

ATERET black hatters don't use any of Chacham Asher Hatchual's SBD meet- They use the BYL Hashgocha, for very good reasons!

Alert:UPDATE: Re: Sefe: חלב טריפה it may be actually a מכשול הרבים at best-לטהר השרץ בק"נ טעמים,ר"ל

If you drink milk from farms that did not remove the operated cows that are "Treif" your are a מזיד.

Currently in the USA, there is no חלב סתם it's all to be considered as חלב טריפה, per Reb Moshe Feinstein, Z"L

 , , נכתב רק לאינו יראי שמים, אינו בעל נפש -הספר חלב טריפה, כשמו כן

 הוא-טריף, במלא המובן

Alert; We have reviewed a number of facts presented in the Sefer and we found that they are not presented correctly. The incidence of Bloating and DA's are considerably higher than is being presented.

Therefore the incidence of טריפות is higher than presented and it still remains a serious issue. We have personally inspected many farms, small ones of under 100 cows to large ones up to 6000 head of cows
.

We personally spoke Reb Moshe Feinstein re: his Teshuva on Cholov Stam. We personally spoke to Rav Eliyashev and Rav Wosner re: the Veterinary procedures done to the cows which make them a Treifah.

In conclusion, The intention of the Sefer may have been very good, but the sad facts are that all cholov Stam, Akum, etc may actually have serious issues of Treifos that are not Botul, considerably more than the 1.6 %. It's ranges from 4% and above depending on the farm.

One can only consume the Cholov Yisroel with reliable Hashgochas according to the Psakim of Reb Moshe Feinstein, Rav Sholom Eliyashev, Rav Shmuel Wosner, etc. They disagree with the conclusions on the חלב טריפה book.

-יש לנו ה"מסורה" מהרב אלישב והרב וואזנר, ורק זה הקובעה ההלכה.

נ.ב.  והלל ושמאי היה להם ראיות חזקות, אבל חכמים קיבלו רק "המסורה" מהשני גרדיים משער האשפה

משנה ג

הִלֵּל אוֹמֵר: מְלא הִין מַיִם שְׁאוּבִין פּוֹסְלִין אֶת הַמִּקְוֶה;

אֶלָּא שֶׁאָדָם חַיָּב לוֹמַר בִּלְשׁוֹן רַבּוֹ.

וְשַׁמַּאי אוֹמֵר: תִּשְׁעָה קַבִּין.

וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: לא כְּדִבְרֵי זֶה וְלא כְּדִבְרֵי זֶה,

אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁבָּאוּ שְׁנֵי גַרְדִּיִּים מִשַּׁעַר הָאַשְׁפּוֹת שֶׁבִּירוּשָׁלַיִם,

וְהֵעִידוּ מִשּׁוּם שְׁמַעְיָה וְאַבְטַלְיוֹן:

שְׁלשֶׁת לֻגִּין מַיִם שְׁאוּבִין פּוֹסְלִין אֶת הַמִּקְוֶה,

וְקִיְּמוּ חֲכָמִים אֶת דִּבְרֵיהֶם.

 

ברטנורא משנה ג   

 

גרדיים.  אורגים.  

משער האשפות.  הזכיר התנא שם אומנתן ושם שכונתן, לומר לך שלא ימנע אדם עצמו מבית המדרש. שאין לך אומנות פחותה מן הגרדי, שאין מעמידים הימנו לא מלך ולא כהן גדול, ואין שער בירושלים פחותה משער האשפות, והכריעו בעדותן לכל חכמי ישראל.

 

משנה ד

וְלָמָּה מַזְכִּירִין אֶת דִּבְרֵי שַׁמַּאי וְהִלֵּל לְבַטָּלָה?

לְלַמֵּד לַדּוֹרוֹת הַבָּאִים, שֶׁלֹּא יְהֵא אָדָם עוֹמֵד עַל דְּבָרָיו,

שֶׁהֲרֵי אֲבוֹת הָעוֹלָם לא עָמְדוּ עַל דִּבְרֵיהֶם.

 

ברטנורא משנה ד   

שלא יהא אדם עומד על דבריו.  שלא יהא סרבן לעמוד קיים בסברתו.  

אבות העולם. הלל ושמאי.

According to Reb Moshe Feinstein, Z"L in Igres Moshe-ALL Cholov Stam / Cholov Akum =(besides Germany) is CHOLOV TREIFE! R'L- The consumer has nothing to rely on

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RE: Cholov Stam-Cholov Akum is actually חלב טריף Per Reb Moshe, Z"L Rav Eliyashev Z"L and Rav Shmuel Wosner Z"L.

Rav Moshe Feinstein in Y"D 1, #20-21 [End of #21 ]states that these procedures make the cow a treifah [and one may not purchase from such a farmer]. Today with the farms in the USA keeping accurate records, all cholov akum (stam) is actually treif. (The procedured cows are 4-8%, shishim is 1.66+-%)

The European Hashgochas mistakenly believe that they don't have the problem because the Veterinarians say "in Europe we don't have those problems". The cold facts are that europe has the problem just as much as the USA.

DR. PEPPER SODA-Times have changed!- You heard right, we wouldn't drink it

After consulting with chemist expert, we do have some serious Kashrus concerns, so we can't at this time advise to use it. (Even though it may be on sale)

Krispy Kreme should not be consider as kosher even for Lakewooders that consume food at KCL certified establishments.

The Milk is Cholov Treif, even according to Reb Moshe Feinstein, Z"L

 

If your son or daughter is not listed on your car insurance, your claim must and will be denied. Go with the Emmes only!

Coaching Vs Therapists

https://www.noomii.com/article/coaching-vs-therapy

Coaching vs. Therapy

A common misconception is that coaching is the same as therapy, when in fact they are quite different. Therapy is intended to help people recover from emotional or other psychological disorders such as depression or anxiety. Coaching, on the other hand, is intended to help normal, healthy individuals achieve personal goals such as increased happiness, weight loss, improved work-life balance. etc.

The table below shows a quick side-by-side comparison of coaching vs. therapy

Coaching and Therapy

Coaching	Therapy
Client is emotionally and psychologically healthy	Client is emotionally unwell and in needs healing
Focuses on the present and future	Focuses on dealing with the past
Driven by goals and taking action	Driven by unresolved issues and feelings
Works toward a higher level of functioning	Works to achieve understanding and emotional healing
Results-based and focuses on exploring solutions	Explores the root of problems and offers explanation
Asks, “Where would you like to be and how can you get there?”	Asks, “How did that make you feel?”
Acts on information	Absorbs information
Done over the phone, internet or in person	Done in an office setting
Coach and client collaborate on solutions	Therapist is the ‘expert’
Contact between sessions expected (accountability and wins)	Contact between sessions for crisis and difficulties only

Lakewood שלום בית-Therapists (terrorists) are not the solution, they are the root of the problem!

Advice on Responding to a Restraining Order

Unfortunately many women are receiving bad advice from therapists, attorneys and Pseudo Rabbonim who know nothing about Halachah. Their only interest is to pander their client and keep them satisfied. They will never advise their client to do the proper thing according to Halacha, when the client will not be happy with this advice. 
               The result has been a large increase in the issuance of RO’s to Yeshiva Leit. The proper response is to go to Bais Din and request that they commence proceedings to render the sender of the RO a מורדת. If the Bais Din sees that there is no justification for the RO and the issuer does not retract they will commence with the proceedings. The details of what Bais Din has to do are described in Even HaEzer Siman 77. 

As more women get declared a מורדת the reputation of the advisors will deteriorate since we can now quantify that they are giving bad advice and it is producing negative consequences to their clients.

A second benefit is that after the proceedings are finalized there are financial advantages such as no KESUBAH (see Siman 77 for more details)

A third benefit is after 12 months you can give a GET on your terms, and remarry according to most Poskim without a HETER MEIOH RABBONUM if she refuses to accept the GET (see Siman 77 for more details).

A fourth benefit is public relations “He left her because she was a מורדת sounds better than “she threw him out”.

I hope and encourage anyone who has received a RO to go forward with this advice and may הקב"ה give you ס"ד to end these issues with Shalom.

TOSHAV MONSEY

toshav@optimum.net

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                                                                   Lakewood- שלום בית

Therapists terrorists are not the solution, but the root cause of the problem.

Update: Re: שלום בית issues: Lakewood "therapists & Mentors" are רודפים

Lakewood "Therapists & Mentors" just broke another family!!
Protect our children?

Don't push "Ritalin" on them like lollipops.
Ritalin? sure! so the School administrators can provide paying clients to their therapists.


Don't let Therapist [Terrorists](backed by Rabbonim) to break apart families. [Their success rate in at 99%]

Don't let the Rabbonim and therapists run for restraining orders against their husbands, who happens to be the father of her children.
She is throwing her children to the dogs. That's what revenge is.

Don't work in unison to support financially the therapists, by sending the parents, the children, etc. to therapy.

That's perhaps why children lost their respect for Rabbonim!

Don't allow the מקוה to break families. Terrorists & Rabbonim do it constantly R"L

מקוה schedules in WG are by pay-for-play? 
Get rid of the ones in charge, from the Rabbonim down. Get rid of the corruption in WG.
Don't play dumb.

Lakewood - the-rishus-continues-when-will-it-end- The therapists, etc are the group responsible- Sidom at it's best

http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-rishus-continues-when-will-it-end.html

The Lakewood therapists, etc and their Rabonim etc ( a mafia style) are the group responsible for shalom Bayis issues, separations, divorces, breaking up families, etc.

We have been monitoring the methods and results of these so called therapists, etc for the past  few years.

It's not as bad as you think, it's much worse!. 

"Rishus" is too mild of a description.

Guest comment. [Hefker velt]

http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2015/12/hefker-velt.html#comment-form

Its a Hefker velt, thats exactly how to describe what goes on when dealing with the sensitive issue of shalom bayis and  R'L divorce. There is no responsible system set up, no trusted agency al pi Torah and halacha. 

No communal standard that everyone adheres to, or even a bes din to turn to. Its unfortunate that so many homes are shattered as a result of total incompetence, inexperience in dealing with the issues and problems of shalom bayis. 
Its a Hefkervelt when any Askan, therapist, social worker or Rav, can do what they want with no accountability for their actions. They get away with it time and time again. There is no mirsas, no fear, no repercussions its do what ever you please. They dont have to answer up to anybody. 
Take one side of a story, give bad advice, dont do basic homework or due diligence its only nefashos were dealing with. So what if you have no experience in shalom bayis issues, who says you cant take it on all by yourself? no one is stopping you. No guidelines set in place making sure all 

A terrifying quote from the CHIDA. How far we have fallen especially in kashrus.

 There is a Pasuk in Eicha (1:3) גלתה יהודה מעוני ומרוב עבודה

"Yehuda has been exiled from misery and from an abundance of work"

The Pasuk teaches us that one of the reasons we were exiled was because of "oni" and "rov avodah".

The Chida explains this Pasuk in terms of spiritual priorities. When the important aspects of Halacha become oni-poor, unattended, and trivialized, while the less important parts, Chumras and Hidurim become rov avodah, when there is an overabundance of emphasis on the Hidurim while there is laxity in the primary of basic Kashrus, this causes the Galus to drag on.

Update-Alert: Bingo 5 Towns quietly changed their Kashrus agency.

BINGO caved into the the VAAD and did away with the CRC Hisachdus mashgiach (and standards).

Bingo & the VAAD still allows CRC/Hisachdus to keep  their Hashgocha sign.

RE: Open containers of milk in a non-Jewish store-

SUBSTITUTION AND ADULTERATION OF CHOLOV YISROEL

The following article was brought to my attention.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/453815/the-great-open-milk-bottle-controversy.html

since there are major errors in this article "factual and Halachik",  I am forced to publish the proper view according to our SHULCAHN ARUCH. The issue we will deal with is using milk in an open container being labeled with a CHOLOV YISROEL label (Golden Flow, Pride of the Farm, etc), at a NON JEWISH convenience store. The author claims the laws governing this type of transaction are contained in SIMAN 118 (the 108 which is printed is probably a typo). This is 100% wrong. SIMAN 118 is discussing milk which is owned by a JEW and is being stored or transported by a NON JEW. 

In the scenario of a convenience store the milk is entirely owned by the NON JEW and he is selling it with the claim (inferred from the label on the bottle) that this is CHOLOV YISROEL. This is covered by the SHULCHAN ARUCH in SIMAN 114 SIF 4 כל אלו המשקים וכן החומץ של שכר אסור לקנותם מהם אם דמיהם יקרים מדמי היין שאנו חוששים שמא עירב בהו יין (עד שאין ס' לבטלו) בד''א כשמוכרים בחנות אבל אם רואה שמוציאים אותו מהחבית מותר ולא חיישינן שמא עירב בו יין שאם היה מערב יין בהחבית היה מתקלקל   

In SIF 5 it says as follows יין רמונים שמוכרים לרפואה מותר ללוקחו מהתגר אפילו שלא מהחבית אע''פ שדמיו יקרים מהיין משום דכיון דאית ביה קפידא לא מרע נפשיה  We see clearly from here that the rule of  לא מרע נפשיה  only applies to a TAGAR and not a CHANUS. A convenience store would definitely be classified as a CHANUS. In addition since the price of CHOLOV YISROEL is about $3.00  per gallon more than supermarket milk, we have also met the threshold of  דמיהם יקריםone would therefore be 100% prohibited from purchasing a coffee with milk from an open bottle in a convenience store.

The spoilage issue is dealt with by the Shulchan Aruch in the Bais Yosef on SIF 4. The Bais Yosef explains even though one is allowed to buy from the CHANUS when he sees the drink being taken from a barrel because we assume that the owner would not pour wine in the barrel since it tends to spoil the contents of the barrel, we still say that he is not allowed to buy the drinks being poured from smaller containers in the CHANUS, why do we not make the same assumption that the wine will spoil the contents. 

This is because the wine poured into containers are in small amounts and the containers are used up frequently therefore there is no fear of spoilage to inhibit the owner from adulterating the drink. The same applies to milk, we are not suspect that the owner will buy 10 gallons of supermarket milk and fill 20 CHOLOV YISROEL bottles and keep them for a week, but instead will buy one or two gallons and fill 2 or 4 containers for a one or two day supply where spoilage is nonexistent.

The lawsuit issue. Even though the mathematical possibility exists for a law suit we still have to use common sense and see if this possibility would deter a convenience store owner from substituting milk. The McDonalds law suit was filed by a major law firm which had the resources for this type of undertaking and hoped for a return on the investment, since McDonalds is a company with major assets. No normal law firm would expend tens of thousands of dollars filing a law suit against a convenience store whose owner has no assets. 

There is no normal convenience store owner in his right mind that would let the fear of a ten million dollar law suit deter him from saving $3.00 a gallon on milk. Even if we know for sure that the owner is a chronic paranoid he could also substitute the milk in his house and bring it to the store.  Therefore making sure the only way he could be caught would be to test the DNA in his milk against the DNA of all the CHOLOV YISROEL cows and prove that it doesn’t match.

We have a clear Halacha in the Shulchan Aruch which prohibits purchasing milk from a convenience store. There is no plausible HETER to permit this. For anyone wishing to read about how this Halacha was violated several years ago by a major Kashrus organization with a major food manufacturer you can download the followinghttp://www.bohirus.com/pdf/current/shufra.pdf                                                          

Toshav Monsey                                                                                                                 toshav@optimum.net

THIS EXXON IS UNDER THE "KCL". SEE THE CHOLOV AKUM TOGETHER WITH THE CHOLOV YISROEL, for the worker to pour into the cholov yisroel as needed.

BTW- Cholov akum in the USA is Cholov Treif per Reb Moshe in a Teshuva, and Rav Eliyashev, Rav Wosner, Rav Shlomo Zalman, etc.

In Germany it may be Cholov Stam per Reb Moshes Teshuva.