Are the Hospital kosher certified cafeterias reliable for one to eat there?
We have seen & we have been hearing very uncomfortable reports.
Some of the comments we received are schocking!
Anyone familliar with the WEILER Hospital in the Bronx Re: the kosher cafeteria?
We would like to hear your experiences with the cafeterias & the kosher hospital food.
Please email to kashrusy@aol.com
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Hamyvin yovin about the kashrus horrors at Maimonides Hospital in Boro Park. Even after a complaint was made to NY State kashrus enforcement, it's not clear if all the problems were fixed. The chutzpa of the Hivnover Rov that he called it "mehadrin" when it was taaruvas basar becholov of ben yomo. He used the kula that a yoledes is allowed to eat treif. What about everyone else eating there?
yiddle i was just wondering is the ingrediant dextrose kosher for passover i saw gefen having it in the frozen garlic cubes labled kfp
I am impressed by the way the kitchen is run at Mount Sinai, and the people rubbing it. But what is the real story at Beth Israel, it is said to be under the OU but you don't see a mashgiach by the cafeteria, although he may well be in the kitchen and there is no display of a certificate or even a sign saying kosher! And what do we think of righteous kashrus organizations which help hospitals switch from being kosher throughout to going traif, but with a separate miniature glatt kosher kitchen? It does help those who want observe kashrus properly, but it does mean that all the not so observant Jewish doctors and patients start eating treif.... (example Brookdale).
I'M A MEDICAL STUDENT IN AECOM IN THE BRONX, THE COLLEGE CAMPUS HAS 2 CAFETERIAS, ONE ON CAMPUS AT THE MAZER BLDG AND ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT WEILERS HOSPITAL.
BOTH ARE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OU. AT THE MAZER CAFETERIA THERE IS A HIGH PROFILE OF NOTICED SUPERVISION WHICH MAKES MOST OF THE "FRUM" STUDENTS AND DOCTORS COMFORTABLE EATING THERE. ANYTIME THERE IS A QUESTION THE MASHGIACH IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO EXPLAIN AND ANSWER ALL QUERIES.
AT THE WEILER CAFETERIA ITS VERY DIFFICULT TO NOTICE ANY SIGNS OF HASHGOCHA, AND THEY ARE ALWAYS PUSHING OFF THE QUESTION TO THE HEAD SUPERVISOR IF YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF HIM.
I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE OU HAS 2 STANDARDS. COLD YOU SHEDSOME LIGHT ON THIS MATTER
Perhaps the younger readers know if the situation has improved in the YU cafeteria.
20 years ago, students who didn't care much for kashrus would put whatever they wanted in the microwave, creating a taaruvas basar becholov. Some may have even warmed non-kosher food. When a frummer student would put up a sign warning the microwave is treif, the signs would be torn down almost immediately.
Who is responsible for the kashrus?
How many hospitals are using Rubashkin?
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/224005/
In New York, the state Department of Correctional Services ’ food production center in Rome, N. Y., includes a kosher kitchen certified by the Orthodox Union rabbinical organization that prepares kosher cold cuts and cheese for about 3, 000 inmates statewide, said Erik Kriss, a department spokesman. That food is supplemented with kosher items purchased from vendors, he said. The Greenhaven Correctional Facility about 75 miles north of New York City has its own kosher kitchen that provides food to about 50 inmates at the prison, Kriss said.
I have information from inside the OU about Manhattan restaurants. My source tells me he could get in trouble for "leaking" this poshutta info that is against the OU's Iron Curtain policy.
The Prime Grill has long been receiving Alle meats & Kiryas Yoel chickens. They are the same owner as Solo and use the same provision orders.
Talia's Steakhouse on the Upper West Side is using Rubashkin.
Does the OU give on Kiryas Yoel too? If not, it's surprising they will not force a restaurant to take one of their own brands like Rubashkin, Empire, Vineland or David Elliott.
Yeshivos can be a problem too. One yeshiva I learned in had a cafeteria run by a local caterer under contract. He kept the kitchen like a sty that was always infested with bugs. It was a common occurance that dead bugs were in the food. Sometimes you were zoche to get live ones too.
The food was very poor quality to start with and he would recycle all his leftovers from his other shul kitchens. Mushroom sauce from a chassuna the week before would become soup the next week in yeshiva, possibly with crunchy "additives".
The bochurim were disgusted and eventually started bringing their own fridges. The first year it was a minyan. The 2nd year it doubled to 20 bochurim. When the caterer found out it would be 40 bochurim during the 3rd year who would not be paying for his food, he ran to the executive director, a personal family friend, and had him make a "takona" that you have to pay for his food even if you don't eat it. The parents hit the roof, forcing the yeshiva to back down.
There have been stories, including in yeshivos, where the cook or other kitchen workers are not getting along with the employer. As they start getting more tzebissin, they start purposely tarfening the kitchen to get revenge. When they get caught, it's anyone's guess how long it's been going on for.
A to Z Supermarket in Fresh Meadows, Queens now has a new owner who has stopped selling all Rubashkin except for vacuum packed items that he does not slice. The meat is Alle - Beis Yosef glatt only - and the chicken is either Kiryas Yoel or David Elliott. They have a special teuda from the Queens Vaad certifying that they are Beis Yosef only.
Sometimes the cooks are not upset at the boss. They just feel that hilchos kashrus does an injustice to the art of food. In many cases they have taken it upon themselves to add butter to fleish and in at least one infamous case, chometz flour to potato starch cakes at a Pesach fresser hotel.
http://goldwasserstory.blogspot.com/
The rov at the center of this controversy was the first rav hamachshir of "Pesach with the Chevrah" when they opened. It's not clear if he had any prior experience.
You don't have to love R. Goldwasser but don't publish sheker either. He may have been a "scholar in residence" but he was never a rav hamachshir. That's not his line of work.
I don't know what Rabbi Goldwasser considered himself but "Pesach with the Chevrah" advertised the first year that he was their rav hamachshir which raised a lot of eyebrows considering he has zero experience.
A rosh yeshiva who is embarassed about the chilul Hashem with the din Torah is trying to convince Rabbi Goldwasser to cooperate. At the same time, he suspects that the Crown Heights beis din did not act properly either. This is no surprise since it is controlled by Moishe Rubashkin.
There are two comments made here in 2008 that are the result of people spreading false propaganda.
1. Solo & Prime Grill in Manhattan are using Rubashkin. The reason why someone was duped into posting they are not is because one of the mashgichim there thinks R' Yudel is too extreme & may have been taking the liberty of telling anti-Rubashkin customers that they don't use it with the knowledge it was not true. Yanklowitz from Uri LeTzedek did not include these restaurants on his Rubashkin-free list telling people who inquired that the management told him they DO use Rubashkin.
2. A to Z Supermarket in Queens was indeed telling customers they stopped using Rubashkin, which is where the false information came from, even though they continued using Rubashkin meat that they try to hide by repackaging it. The new owner who made up the bubba mayseh refuses to discuss it with customers who caught him on the lie.
part two
For its part, the OU – which seems to be negligent with regard to its treatment of mashgichim to begin with – tends to try to smooth these issues over. But the easiest bump to smooth is most always the weakest, and the weakest are the mashgichim, who are often people desperate for work. And it is easy to cow a desperate man trying to feed his family.
I've seen this dynamic at work up close, and it isn't pretty. Once a mashgiach realizes the OU won't back him up, he's effectively left out to dry. If he doesn't have a union to support him, he'll be forced out or fired.
How does the OU justify this?
To the OU and other kosher supervision agencies, it's all a matter of degree. Mistakes happen in all kitchens and mistakes can be overlooked. Some pots can be kashered, perhaps an employee spoken to, and life goes on. But when too many mistakes occur, that laissez faire attitude can't continue. The system may need to be totally revamped; certain kitchen employees may need to be terminated.
But this puts the OU in the middle of a he-said-she-said situation, with the mashgiach saying one thing, the kitchen management another, and often other mashgichim something else entirely.
Because the system does not have built in checks, and because the complaining mashgiach is standing alone, it is the complaining mashgiach who is often the loser. It is almost as if the one who sees more is punished for seeing, rather than the problems being fixed or offending staff being fired.
Robert Frank says he sent an email to YU President Richard Joel alerting him to this situation. Joel, Frank says, never replied.
Richard Joel is out of his office until Thursday and was unavailable for comment.
Whether Frank's complaints are justified or not, they have exposed another abuse common throughout the kosher industry – the mistreatment of mashgichim by kosher supervision agencies.
Having mashgichim paid so poorly (for New York City) and denied basic benefits common to all employees is a scandal.
Robert (Rubin) Frank sent me some of the disciplinary letters he has received.
They include being written up for stopping employees from cooking hot food on Shabbat morning in the kitchen (please see above document), even though the hospital's policy then, he claims, was to forbid such cooking, and being written up for excessive absence – even though one series of absences were for a medical procedure and the hospital was given, he says, two weeks notice, and the other set was for a viral infection and he had a doctor's note.
Frank also notes that most complaints are written up after he finds non-kosher food and reports it.
You can see that Frank seems to be in a no-win situation. If he finds non-kosher food in the kitchen, he's penalized and if he doesn't find it, he's penalized.
Here are all the letters, along with correspondence between the OU and Frank, and between Frank's attorney and the OU, combined in one PDF file
Posted last night by yener apikoress:
I've been exchanging emails and phone calls since last week with Robert Frank, a mashgiach for five years at Montefiore Medical Center, 1825 Eastchester Road in the Bronx,N.Y.
Montefiore is affiliated with Yeshiva University and serves as YU's teaching hospital for its Albert Einstein College of Medicine.
Robert Frank alleges non-kosher food is regularly brought into the hospital's kosher kitchen, and is served to patients and hospital staff, including YU med students.
Frank has videos of the non-kosher food in the kitchen. I saw one showing a case of non-kosher chicken broth and another of a case of an unsupervised canned tomato product. Frank also told me about non-kosher cheese used to make pizza and non-kosher meat tomato sauce used for the same purpose.
He also says milk and meat cookware and utensils are regularly mixed up, and the facility had only one working dishwasher for almost a year, meaning meat and milk dishes, pots and utensils were all washed in it.
And then he spoke about the storage area used during Passover. In previous years, Frank said, the room was padlocked and only a mashgiach could open it. This year the room was left open and untrained staff went in and out at will. Non-kosher-for-Passover food was served to patients, and it was served to YU med students and doctors, as well.
According to Frank, he has spent years trying to get the OU and the hospital to fix these problems, to no avail.
Instead, the hospital has retaliated against Frank, issuing disciplinary letters and assigning him tasks like moving heavy boxes – tasks Frank cannot due because he is partially disabled due to a back injury.
Frank also complains mashgichim are taken away from doing kosher-related tasks and made to do other things, from serve soup on the cafeteria line, to putting placemats on hundreds of trays, to running food to other locations in the hospital. And it might be that Frank gets a disproportionate number of these assignments.
Frank also says the hospital stops him from using his break time to pray. He begins work at 4:00 am and needs to pray shacharit at work. His supervisors try to delay him so his break time is very close to sof z'man tefilla.
Rabbi Menachem Genack, head of OU Kosher, told me today that the OU spoke to the other mashgichim and that they are "satisfied" with the situation there. He also said that these other mashgichim were able to handle the job, implying Frank, perhaps due to his disability, is not.
One of the problems with this type of kosher supervision is that the mashgichim work for the hospital, not for the kosher supervision agency. Sometimes this is because the mashgichim hold other jobs at the facility – cook, purchasing agent, etc. – and are paid by the facility for that work and, perhaps, a bit more for their rabbi duties.
But Frank's case seems to be different.
The OU only pays its mashgichim in this facility about $18 per hour. That's $18, with no benefits, because the mashgichim are paid as independent contractors. This is, I'm told, very common for the OU and other kosher supervision agencies.
Frank and others like him opted to be hospital employees. That got them benefits, employee status, and a union. But they work at the will of their employer – the hospital – and not at the will of the OU, and that means when conflicts over kosher supervision arise, the hospital seems to treat them like internal employment issues rather than kosher issues.
To: morahan@senate.state.ny.us, sampson@senate.state.ny.us, skelos@senate.state.ny.us, masmith@senate.state.ny.us, eespada@senate.state.ny.us
If you're worried in 200 years global warming is going to wipe out the world why aren't you worried about perverted pseudo-marriages that could wipe out the world in a generation?
G-d didn't put humans on this earth to be gay.
Politicians please don't give in to the vocal, and exhibitionist small minority.
If my state senator votes for this stupidity instead of spending time boosting the city employment, he won't get my vote next time he or she runs.
And you have the nerve to legislate this before the Markey Bill to protect children? Mind boggling.
On that blog post about the OU scandal at Montefiore, someone who claims to have been a COR mashgiach in Toronto accuses the COR of similar behavior.
There is more than one Queens Vaad establishment that lies to customers about what meat they use.
One store was telling customers after the raid that he stopped buying from Rubashkin. In fact, he was hiding the Rubashkin under other items and would sneak it out when Lubavitcher customers asked for it. After he got caught, it was too ridiculous to continue this way, so he went back to leaving it in the open.
http://vidyid.com/rabbanim-hire-hit-men-frum-williamsburg-man-bound-gagged-beaten-dumped-on-street-in-lakewood.html
http://decisions.courts.state.ny.us/fcas/fcas_docs/2009AUG/2300219602009100SCIV.pdf
Does this mean that Chaimowitz from Globex is or was involved?
Bloom's is now selling the gelatin stuff under Westheim.
Was there a fight with Paskesz over whether there were exclusive rights?
In this case, the OU is rubberstamping Westheim.
I did some digging to find out who is behind the new Har Nof deli meats from Cherry Hill, NJ, under KAJ & the OU.
The address is 9 Isaac Lane which belongs to Jerry Abramson.
http://www.wgkosher.com/
He is the VP of West Side Kosher's Washington Group division that caters to the food service industry.
Abramson also owns Matza Fun Tours that does Pesach hotels under Zushe Blech. He is an executive chef and an MBA who merged his own company with West Side in 2004. Before he owned his own company he was with Empire chicken until at least 2001.
http://www.jewishvoicesnj.org/news/2008-12-03/Home/Kosher_meat_back_on_local_shelves.html
Abramson told the Jewish Voices newspaper of Southern NJ that West Side has it's own shechita operations in Minnesota.
It does not seem that Abramson is a haymishe guy since he is on the board of directors at the modern orthodox & co-ed Politz School.
I read the comments here about how shvach the Queens Vaad standards are for checking bugs in lettuce.
Not only is it true, but they don't even bother to enforce whatever few rules they have.
Ruchel's Kosher Kettle on Metropolitan Ave has been seen taking a whole head of lettuce (and a blackened filthy, unwashed one at that) and just ripping off leaves to put on sandwiches. Other places do the same but at least wash off the visible dirt.
Shimon's Pizza on Main St was claiming to use Bodek only. I stopped eating there when I discovered it was not true. I just had a funny feeling and asked to see the bag every so often before I ordered. One day, they pull out a bag of Dole. It wasn't even Heinemann - it was no hashgocho whatsoever. When I mentioned this to someone on the Vaad, I got a lame: "Oh, they are supposed to use Bodek".
Other shvache hashgochos have some kind of standard for bugs. The Queens Vaad evidently has none. It's beyond me how any bnei Torah are somech on them.
To 12/4/09 10:00AM
You have issues with the Vaad of Queens, that we know. But, at least get the your facts straight.
The more you blog-shmutz the Vaad,the more idiodic you sound.
You know, I know and every one knows that, like any kashrus agency, they are not perfect but they are doing a great job to keep the level of kashrus higher then in your or my home.
Does R' Yudel trust West Side shechita in Minnesota under KAJ if the meat is vacuum packed and sealed at the site?
That is not the Chaimowitz from Globex. There is a dispute between family members there that started off in beis din and ended up in court.
And there may be a second lawsuit against the A to Z wine store that just opened next door for taking their name.
The Queens Vaad is simply out of league with other metro NYC hashgochos.
Having no system of checking bugs is not the standard of any frum home that I know.
Either you are an outsider who is out to lunch or if you are with the Queens Vaad, nice try. Do you want to call people any other nasty names?
Menachem Genack has a serious problem with the truth. I would think he would be smart enough to at least not say something that is easily disproven from the many severe violations noted on the USDA website. And what about even frum employees of Rubashkin who complained over the years that their paychecks were shortchanged?
Here is what Genack told the Yated this week:
"Sholom Rubashkin has been given a raw deal," concurred the OU's Rabbi Menachem Genack. "The excessive prosecution of this man is staggeringly disproportionate to his mistakes. Genack noted that Rubashkin "maintains his innocence of bank fraud charges, and indeed, anyone who had dealings with him can vouch for his integrity."
He added said that in his own visits to the plant, he never saw the slightest "cutting of corners in either halacha or ethical conduct. USDA inspectors were in the plant at all times, and they never reported a violation of any kind," he noted.
"Few media outlets described the extraordinarily good side to this man, his generosity and kind-heartedness toward everyone, Jew and non-Jew," Genack said. "The Yated is an outstanding exception and deserves tremendous credit for rallying behind Sholom Mordechai."
Genack believes that "whatever lapses may have occurred under duress when he was scrambling to save his company, do not warrant the kind of excessive prosecution and lifelong punishment that should be reserved for hard-core criminals."
"This was a man who—unlike a notorious all-time swindler people like to compare him with—lived modestly, was kind and trustworthy, never fleeced a single customer. Even after the raid, under impossible pressures, he kept his payments to the bank coming punctually. To keep his commitments, he and his family mortgaged everything they owned. "If anyone is deserving of sympathy, support and leniency, it is Sholom Rubahskin."…
The Vaad of Queens is not alone. The Vaad of Westchester is also not to be taken seriously. At least one of the Young Israel rabbis here does not recommend eating in most of the places. There are not enough voices of protest in Westchester to force serious change. Most people simply don't care.
The day that yener blogger called Menachem Genack to ask about the mashgiach at Montefiore, the OU had the head mashgiach Rabbi Kwiatkovsky write up a disciplinary note in retaliation that was backdated 12 days.
City Health Dept records also show that an inspector found "100" cockroaches in the kitchen. How can the OU certify when such a swarm means they are getting in the food?
What follows are two documents: an internal Montefiore report mentioning an incident that happened on a Shabbos last month and the discipline report on that incident given to the mashgiach, Robert Frank, by the hospital (two pages).
This discipline report was written and signed by the OU's head mashgiach, who also is the hospital's Assistant Director of Food Service.
The hospital had a party for an employee. At that party, hot non-kosher food was served in an office adjoining the kitchen. According to Frank, this does not violate OU policy.
After the party, an employee dumped hot liquid from the non-kosher food into a stainless steel sink in the kosher kitchen. Frank saw her starting to dump the liquid but could not stop her in time.
The hospital wanted Frank to immediately kosher the sink, and demanded that he take boiling water and do this.
Frank refused because it was Shabbos, and because the sink needed to remain unused for 24 hours before kashering it.
The hospital incorrectly believed that the kashering should be done first and the 24 hour wait period should follow.
After Shabbos, Frank says he left a voicemail message for the head mashgiach and wrote a rabbis incident note and left it for him. He also tried to reach another mashgiach by phone, but was unable to reach him.
Frank was off Sunday. When he came back to work on Monday, he told the OU's head mashgiach about the incident.
Frank said the OU's head mashgiach blamed him for the incident, denied getting Frank's voicemail or note, and told Frank he would write him up for it. At this point Frank, who wasn't feeling well, vomited.
The hospital wrote this up in two different ways. In the excerpt from the internal report, the hospital blames Frank but acknowledges that he vomited. In the discipline report written by the head mashgiach, no mention is made of Frank becoming ill and he is simply accused of noncompliance.
Montefiore mashgiach Robert Frank called yener blogger on erev Shabbos.
"They told me not to come to work Sunday and to come to the legal department Monday with a [union] delegate – they're firing me!" Frank said.
People used to ask why rabbis and mashgichim working at Agriprocessors didn't speak up about the animal abuse and questionable kosher tactics.
Here's your answer.
In the kosher business, if you do speak up and the OU doesn't back you, you lose your job, and you lose your career.
And the OU rarely backs up its mashgichim.
The Minkowitz meat used at Queens Vaad establishments seems to be more than just from a Rubashkin cousin, as the explanation goes.
Minkowitz used to work for Rubashkin and gave press interviews at Kosherfest. He likely still does work for Rubashkin as one of the myriad of fronts that the bankruptcy court probably doesn't know about.
If Rubashkin is suing all the different front companies to hide from the Federal government, I don't know if that is something that the Queens Vaad would want to be aiding and abetting.
To 12/5 8:28PM
As you keep on demonstrating your
hatred towards the Vaad, it is obvious that you have or had some run in with them.
Just come out with the WHOLE story.
Not just accusations. Be a MAN.
Mr. Anonymous 12:43 pm aka Mr. Nisht emes aka the guy who called R' Yudel a "coward" when the revealations against the Queens Vaad first started.
There are people who are convinced that you are C.S. bichvodo uvatzmo
Is it?
What's the difference if someone had a run in with the Queens Vaad or not?
Everything written here is true, so go fix it.
You were already told to stop your fishing expedition to find out who is blowing the whistle and focus your energy on something constructive.
Would KAJ allow the Belsky heter of shooting the cow in the head with the bolt gun?
I'm from kew gardens. There are rabbonim here and in the hills that don't eat from queens vaad. Its for good reason.
Not eating Halav Israel &/or OU tuna &/or Yashan stuff &/or OU baked goods is not a good reason to say that Kashrut at another home or area is no good.
It's really a shame that the Montefiore mashgiach went to yener apikoros to publicize his story. Plenty of people who are not sonei Yisroel like R' Yudel could have given him a platform.
To the reader in Kew Gardens, how dare you follow the lead of those rabbonim!
You need to understand that it's the Queens Vaad Über Alles. The Vaad has quite an impressive line up of rabbonim you can follow, including the ones who dress yeshivish but don't promote any normative kashrus standard and the modern orthodox ones some of whom send their own kids to co-ed day schools.
Come on down to the Queens Vaad office on 73rd Ave and if they're not too enraged at you for being an independent thinker, they will buzz you in for a free lobotomy & reprogramming.
Halevei that Cholov Yisroel, mashgiach temidi for tuna & pas Yisroel / Yashan were the only reasons that people don't trust the Queens Vaad.
We are talking all kinds of serious infractions like no mashgiach when required, bugs, goyishe wine, etc
You should take the copies of the disciplinary notes against the mashgiach from that website and reformat them in a blogger file so that everyone can see them without reading what else the menuval apikoros has to say.
The VAAD rocks!
Yes, they're hitting rock-bottom in kashrus standards.
Thank you for agreeing that the VAAD
does not leave any rock unturned in their standards and that's why they have their great reputation in the industry.
They are also a rock-solid hashgacha
which most hashgachas emulate a mimick.
They also charge rock-bottom fees.
They also ignore all those idiotic rock throwers.
The pathetic defense of the VHQ written on erev Shabbos could only be believed by someone with rocks for brains.
And bederech klal, the hashgochos that charge the least money are the ones with the worst mashgichim and kashrus standards. So thanks for clearing THAT up.
The truth has finally arrived!
Its about Money. Private people that give hashgachos usually 'get a piece of the action' - one way or another.
The private 'money hungery' bashers want a piece of that pie as well, so they bash all others.
Community hashgachas either do not charge fees or they do to cover the minimal expenses that they have.
So you are right. The money seeking hashgachas that charge less are "the worst", but public hashgachas that have no reason to rip off the store owners and the consumers, the less they charge the better they are.
Keep up the 'good' work so that all know what your real intentions are.
So then explain the bizarre behavior of the Queens Vaad (and the OU for that matter) who claim to be non-profits but act like money hungry fressers just the same. Are they really that eager to fund their non-kashrus programs or are people lining their pockets?
And the last time I checked, "community' hashgochos make sure there are no bugs in vegetables, no goyish wine by weddings, etc, in stark contrast to the Queens Vaad.
Otherwise, the Queens Vaad defender is getting so juvenile that I will be dan lekaf zchus that it is one of the teenage sons of the honchos instead of the honchos themselves.
Another "dan lekaf zchus" nick.
Just read his comments.
That's right. The same Mishna that tells us to be dan lekaf zchus also tells us there are people we are required to be dan lekaf chovah.
Certainly, people like the Queens Vaad who have no standards to speak of, don't follow the few standards they do have, and cover up the indiscretions, are in the sug of chayav.
Not only the truth has arrived but so have the colors (the midos) of the
'kvetcher'.
Keep it up so the whole truth emerges.
The truth that's emerging is that the Queens Vaad are out to attack anyone blowing the whistle on their bad behavior and act like immature babies while trying to cover up on the internet.
"Kol HaPoisel, B'Mimoy Poisel".
Nice try you Queens Vaad flunkie.
The things mentioned here are verifiable by anyone checking them out since you do such a poor job covering up.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/kosher_hosp_cop_canned_RUf6BZ8aA6utSnMpXUSoPN
NY Post picks up on the OU cover up at Montefiore.
http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_arts_john/090409godsquad.jpg
The guy in the center is the "Rabbi" Gary Moskowitz character who flip flops between orthodox & conservative depending on where he can make a few bucks.
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=15095
Not content to just fire the Montefiore mashgiach, the OU even goes after his wife who was mashgicha at YU.
My sister was served a challah roll on Pesach at Columbia-Cornell. Who is the mashgiach there?
My sister was served a challah roll on Pesach at Columbia-Cornell. Who is the mashgiach there?
Your sister is the mashgiach when she is the patient. Columbia-Cornell is traif and has never claimed otherwise. In all non-Jewish establishments like hospitals and airlines, they bring in kosher meals. Hospitals do not buy complete trays like the airlines, but packaged main courses to which they add drinks etc. You must be your own mashgiach there. Rabbi Shain's valid criticism of the hospitals mentioned is that they attempt to be entirely kosher but because they are open around the clock and have a very low budget for mashgichim things go wrong, and the supervisors do not give you the right impression. they make it sound as if you are eating in a kosher lemehadrin restaurant.
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