Hoax And Change
"I deplore… the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them… These ordure's are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our functionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief… This has, in a great degree, been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit." –Thomas Jefferson to Walter Jones, 1814.
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DIVORCE AGREEMENT Between Republicans & Democrats
WRITTEN BY A YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT
The person who wrote this is a college (law) student. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.
THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:
We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is our separation agreement: --Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
--We don't like re-distributive taxes so you can keep them.
--You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU
--Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military.
--We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and bio-diesel
--You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.
--We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street.
--You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, hippies, druggies, and illegal aliens.
--We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEOs, and rednecks
We’ll keep Hannity, Carlson, and Bibles, and give you NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and Hollywood
--You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
--You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
--When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
-We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
--You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the UN. but we will no longer pay the bill.
--We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt, Tesla, and Leaf you can find.
--You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
--We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem."
--I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine," "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing," "Kumbaya “or” We Are the World."
--We'll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.
--Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
Sincerely,
John J Wall
Law Student and American!
P. S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie Sheen, George Clooney, Barbara Streisand, and Jane Fonda with you.
P.S.S. And you won't have to press 1 for English when you call our country.
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38 comments:
Here goes ORA again.
We Reb Shmuel to handle this.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaO-MLUXYAIACJJ?format=jpg&name=900x900
turn on volume button at bottom of video window
https://twitter.com/hasidic_1/status/1271121929500536832
so motivated by Agudah Fresser pro-virus infection propaganda that he not only makes a shoyteh fun zich befarhesya but is misgareh b'Umos
The peasants in Willy sent dozens of kids to block a street while holding signs & chanting "we want camp". None of the kids were wearing masks.
In NJ, the Attorney General instructed police forces to lay child endangerment charges against parents and/or mechanchim operating illegally in such cases.
The big baby anti-vaxx Rebbes first sent a letter with an arrogant tone to Cuomo making demands on camps & yeshivos. A few days later they just went ahead & opened all their yeshivos in Monsey to test the water if Ed Day will send police raids like de Blasio does in the City. Day is a big mouth hypocrite who criticizes Cuomo for inaction but then does nothing himself.
The peasants will probably open all the camps in a dare to the Sullivan Sheriff to do something about it. They don't even have enough deputies to police them all.
The peasants are being advised how to play cat & mouse with the police by the Agudah Fresser lawyer who represented menuvol Mordechai Tendler. He is probably also advising Philly who already sent their mesivta to a secret location in or around Kiryas Yoel, figuring they are safer from police raids there then they are from the Philly PD.
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=XvxpIZ2dUp_PLUS_nYo/VbYabUw==&system=prod
Cuomo told the Agudah & Satmar to jump in the lake just before Shabbos.
The Agudah which has sunk to being in gantzen a puppet org of Philly, lashed out with all kinds of nasty language against the Governor in probably the only press release they've ever put out just minutes before Shabbos licht. Shoytim what they are to start up with the most powerful man in NY State like that. Philly doesn't care about misgareh or pikuach nefesh, only their krum meshugassen which are ALL assur min Hatorah!
"Shoytim they are" - Yes, they will "swim" in the lake if Cuomo throws them in! Either Cuomo has suddenly done "tshuvah" and turned around 180 degrees from "celebrating" the death of the unborn last year (still waiting somehow for the "opportunity to arise" to redact his gzeira) and virtually giving the death sentence to "disposable" residents in the nursing homes by "executively" (or maybe "executionally") cramming them all with coronavirus patients, and maybe will back-track in his war against the chadorim, or this "low-life" is simply confusing "pro-life" with "no-life"!
To be sure - I would certainly protest the lack of appreciation displayed in KY to the staunch pro-lifesaving Dr. Zev Zelenko (who; much to the chagrin and frustration of Cuomo, has spectacularly tackled coronavirus in KY in what would under NORMAL circumstances among a NORMAL population would provide early treatment and a proper END to the pandemic on the large-scale without simultaneously designing any money-leaching schemes for the "world savior" Bill Gates.
[Without going too deeply into the issue of the political suppression of early coronavirus detection and treatment, the sloppily-hatched fraudalent report in "the Lancet" condemning Plaquenil was done with record speed in order to discredit Trump - in the end the report itself was discredited and revoked]). Nonetheless, anybody who HONESTLY feels they can "condemn" the Satmar community, - in moral terms I would say: "Grow up and peek in your own backyard first!"
Noch ah choochim fin deh mah nishtaneh.
He doesn’t even qualify for the Roshah in the Haggadah. Nebach.
This guy got to see a shrink.
In his “deroosheh” “ deh verteh klaipen zich nisht” one to the other.
Yesh lo bahyot.
Rabbi Dr. Glatt knows that if he criticizes the Agudah he will attract all kinds of vicious badmouthing led by the programmed robots from Philly. So he amusingly praises the Agudah for calling for mask wearing while shlogging up in the politest way possible their "bubble" shtuss that they got from a Christian sect who have a similar crazed, misguided 'religious' agenda to open the camps. Rabbi Glatt points out that the only bubble format that has had some success (but still not 100% safe) is the one instituted in New Zealand, Germany & 2 Canadian Provinces that allows for 2 mishpochos who know each other to form their own bubble together if they are mutually sure the other is not infected. It goes unsaid that certainly the Agudah-Christian stupidity of suddenly bubblizing 100s or even 1000s of people is a reckless fantasy that Rebbi Akiva Eiger calls shfichus domim.
"Yesh lo bahyot"
Yes Yanky, and you are completely "normal", the one who should be poskening on others
Noch ah Rabbinah Dauktor who thinks his word is the first and last.
There many many other doctors out there who may or may not agree to the Glatteh dauktor.
The fact that a 5 Towner is supporting or not supporting the Agudah or any other not 5 Town organization is not mayleh or moirid the legitimacy of them.
Let the Dauktor Rabbinah get people tofdaven in shuls,like the rest of the world and then we will take him to Philly to start zohgen deiyous there.
As you can see 6:35:00 once again forgot to take his candies. Maybe he can give us his mother’s name so we can really try to get him healthy.
Normal seems to be beyond his capacity so he gracefully assigned it to others. But that was by accident on his part.
Last but not least thank you for accepting the fact that “ yesh lo bahyot”. By recognizing your issues
Even not knowingly there is some remote help possible for you.
As opposed to the Agudah Fressers itching to be makriv your kids to the anti-vaxx Moilech, in re-opening ceremonies overseen by High Priest Shmuel Kaminetzky, these medical experts would wait a year OR MORE before allowing schools to open:
“We do not know much about long-term effects of Covid in children. However, we know that the virus impacts all organs. We'll learn more in the future. The long term course in children who survive may not be benign, including those children who are asymptomatic.”
- Edwin Trevathan, Vanderbilt University
“There's insufficient information at this time to give a good answer. Before allowing children to return to school, I'd want to know more about Kawasaki syndrome in children infected, the transmissibility from asymptomatic individuals & severity of outcomes by age.”
- Claudia Salinas, Eli Lilly & Co
“I think information about a Kawasaki-like illness is concerning & needs to be explored prior to opening”
- Melissa Sharp, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland
“Until we know more about risk of exposure, transmission & multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, I’ll be keeping my kids home infinitely.”
- Kate Duchowny, University of California, San Francisco
“We don't understand enough about long term consequences of Covid infection in children.”
- Alicia Riley, University of California, San Francisco
“I worry for my grandchildren in Texas where social distancing isn't taken seriously. I wouldn't want them ill with inflammatory symptoms seen in children.”
- Candace Ayars, A. T. Still University
“Depends on availability of a vaccine, especially since children & young adults are at risk of lethal infections.”
- Sandra Melnick Seitz, National Institutes of Health
“I don't feel comfortable sending children to school, camp or day care until there's a vaccine or zero community spread.”
- Megan Harvey, Springfield College
“If I had children, I wouldn't send them until vaccinated, or when there's a highly effective, widely available & affordable treatment that's safe.”
- Nancy Sloan, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
“I don’t have children at home, but my advice would be wait for effective treatment / vaccine. It's hard for children to maintain safe distance or to wear a mask.”
- Robert J. McCarter, George Washington University
“If I did have children, I'd protect them as long as I could, knowing that social distance & PPE at schools isn't realistic. My preference would be wait for a safe vaccine, and I realize this would be very challenging.”
- Joseph Wagner, U.S. Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine
“Need vaccine or treatment first.”
- Lindsey Powers Happ, George Washington University
“Not until a large proportion has received a vaccine.”
- Alison Simmons, University of Toronto
“When everybody is vaccinated.”
- Emanuela Taioli, Icahn School of Medicine at Mt Sinai
“When there's a reliable vaccine.”
- Shervin Churchill, University of Washington
“When vaccines for Covid are available.”
- Sylvia Lin, University of Pittsburgh
“I would worry about teachers.”
- Lisa Herrinton, Kaiser Permanente
“I think it would be really stupid to reopen schools in September, given the present course of things. Really. Stupid.”
- Carl Phillips, Epiphi Consulting
“I wouldn't send them to school, camp or day care for summer 2020, and I'd have strong reservations sending them back in the fall.”
- Tara Jenson, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
“Schools & camps are probably the most worrisome given the mode of transmission & social interaction of students.”
- Yvette Cozier, Boston University
“I don’t have kids, but I wouldn't send a child to school, camp, etc, if social distancing & masking couldn't be maintained.”
- Veronica Pear, University of California, Davis and Berkeley
After spending so much time surfing the net to support your Agendah, you could of surfed the same net to find the flip side of this "Glatteh" argument.
But when you forget to have your candies - maybe because the net plays more important role in you life (if you can call it that) -one cant expect better.
While your surfing couldnt you find some support for those "mahn malkah rabbanan" anti-vaxxing
Theory. Im sure there is plenty doctors who will agree to the "malkahs". At least doctors cut from the same cloth as those 21 so called doctor you wasted your time to find and quote.
Please Please send us 'deh mammeh's noomen'.
If Yanky did a better job watching the essen for the OU at West Side, maybe he wouldn't miss the boat so badly on the whole point with Rabbi Dr. Glatt.
Chazal say we are mechuyev to listen to the doctors.
The Agudah somehow think they are exempt from heeding Chazal & thus ignore the doctors. Or as Tzodek Katz correctly teitches up, they are actually anti-doctor.
Rabbi Dr. Glatt is not stam a doctor but the Chief Medical Officer of Mt Sinai Hospital and a talmid chochom on top of it. He begged the Agudah to shut down the Purim mesibos from where it later emerged that 1000s of Yidden lost their lives because the fake 'scientists' in Philly akshened that the show must go on.
Even R' Elya Brudny at the public Q&A session of an Agudah Fresser convention had a rare moment of blasting Philly for not listening to doctors and added that "frankly, it's insulting"
Oh sure, the Agudah finally started 'playing the game' by looking high & low for a couple of modenna moderner doctors who violate their healer oath with anti-vaxx & similar meshugassen. And the Agudah even shares the same shyster medical "expert" with fanatical Christians who is paid to abet the pro-Chinese lies to downplay the danger of the virus.
All the gedolim already said the anti-vaxx shita is in gantzen assur min Hatayreh.
Oh, except for one elderly gadol who Philly & Litzman had his ausvarf grandson hold him hostage so that he can't speak to doctors and other gedolim.
11:31 am will of course deny it but the roshei yeshivas Slabodka have publicly protested that that's what's nebich happening.
But avadda, manufacturing a predetermined message is what 11:31 is all about, which is at least one of the reasons why he's on the same page as Philly.
http://matzav.com/watch-yisroel-besser-on-reopening-children-camps/
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Didn’t know, and no one else knows either, that the new GODOL hador is maran Dauktor GROSSE Rabbinah Glattsie.
Wonder why the “Candy/ Pills” Taker is the only one who follows the new and improved MARAN, along with the 5T Rabbis. How come not another area in the USA AND Canada know or follow the MARAN of Har Sinai itself?
I think it’s time to raise the CooGadn’s dose of candies.
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The only mistake that the Mirrer Kollel yungerman made when he took the evidence to Rav Elyashev ztl of the Queens Vaad destroying for profit 1000s of kivrei yesomim, is that he didn't in addition meet with Satmar who have perfected techniques on how to 'get the attention' of stubborn avaryonim & devote as much 'follow up' as is needed
Satmar even confronted Paysach Krohn when they heard he was corrupting Briso shel Avrohom Avinu with that sadistic Gomco tool. At least sometimes Krohn apparently is convincing with his Bubbie maasos because he managed to convince Satmar he only used the Gomco once due to a rare disease which mayvinim said afterward the protim with the disease was not true
He made a lot more mistakes.
The first of them was lying to Reb Elyashev.
The second that he got coogard Krankland neshoome involved.
Plus all the other cheek meh mayses.
Ask Rav Elyashev's grandsons how a Qveens Vaad contingent led by Elchonon Zoyhna came running from NY to argue when Maran ztl put out a psak blasting VHQ for destroying kivrei yesomim. The only liar was the group spokesman Elchonon Zoyhna who was thrown out 3 days in a row because Maran couldn't stomach his sheker after seeing all the evidence.
The Qveens Vaad returned home with their tails between their legs & huddled to plot their next move to cover up this scheme that netted them millions of dollars, which like everything Qveens Vaad related is another LIE. Oh they sputtered, we don't have to listen to an Eretz Yisroeldik posek because we have our own poskim. It is true that the Qveens Vaad has an in house so called Av Beis Din. His name is Peretz "the sheretz" Steinberg, who he has notoriously participated in the shakedowns with Mendel Epstein, Belsky & molester Bryks. And Steinberg screamed at the Mirrer yungerman that he will have him killed by Italianisher Mafia which was apparently how the genealogical historian who went to the Attorney General about the same Qveens Vaad scheme met his end to stop him from testifying at a special tribunal, according to NYPD Detectives.
Lo dubim vlo Yaar.
One bluff from a notorious vaad hater after another.
Accusing a Posek who is not with us anymore of issuing a psak without hearing both sides.
For a GROISEH Talmid Choochem fin deh Mah Nisgtahneh he should know better. But it wont shtim mit zeineh Chelemeh Maysehlach.
A Dayan can't even listen to one side without the other side being there never mind issue a psak.
Noch a Mayselah - A Godol Never throws anyone out for whatever reason. Just in Israel (and in the USA when they want to act like Gohr frimmeh Israelis, the shamas throws them out and says the rov dont want you in his house etc. Especially if it involves some prutecktziah.
No matter how much you keep on barking the facts that this goes on daily in Israel is very well known. The whole country over there works that way (almost as bad as the Queens Vaad - Figured I'll say it for your so can feel at home with some more shker v'chozov).
Why do you think all the chelehmeh shvitzers here in the USA never get a local domestic Rov to back them? All the local issues which the local rabbonims domain these shvitzers run and shop in Israel for a letter that fits with their 'shitahs'. You give some protecktzia to some no goodnik shamehs and you get what you want.
Our local posek Zatzal from the Lower east side was asked a shayleh from someone in Australia and the answer he got was: "You have a great local Gaon there(the B'Tzail Hachochma Zatzal) ask him - don't get me involved with your local issues".
Rav Gifter Zatzal (local)put Artscroll on the MAP against Rav Shach Zatzal (Israel) as is well known. (let me save you time and post your mayseleh here: Oh. Rav Gifter was friends with Schottenstein blah blah blah....).
Kroom Kroom and more Kroom.
Lies Lies and more Lies.
Ego Ego and more Ego.
Gahvah Gahvah and more Gahvah (As Rav Shteinman Zatzal told another shvitzer dortten in Eretz Yisrooel after the shvitzer did what they all do and tried to shake Rav Shteinman down with his verbal terrorism).
Long time toishav Flatbush here.
I specifically remember when a Flatbush magazine al pi hoyroas rabbonim published all the evidence of the Queens Vaad grave robbing. Someone even paid for helicopter flyovers to catalog the continuing destruction when the Queens Vaad fortified the perimeters of the cemeteries & forbade anyone from entering to gather any more proof on the ground. The magazine is still online even if no longer easy to find.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030115112513/www.jewishinterest.com/MokomSholom/rav.htm
Rav Elyashev's psak as dictated to R' Nochum Eisenstein
& then follow the links below that to the whole masa umatan
Only two rabbonim in Brooklyn defended the Queens gazlonim, and because there was money in it for them. The one who directly had a hand in the criminal acts sold the shul behind the backs of the members & fled to Israel. The other rabbi who is high up in the Agudah was getting huge donations from Jacobson who was directing all the illegal dig ups & shipping the bones to the fragrant garbage dump in Staten Island.
Someone who wrote the above Pravda style comment is mamash straining with all his koyich on the Queens Vaad's behalf to deny culpability. He can shout all he wants but there is never a heter from any bonafide posek anywhere to disgrace the yesomim like this. There were thousands of them due to many epidemics that swept through entire orphanages in 1800s & early 1900s. The graves were resold for burial of all kinds of non-shomrei Shabbos and outright goyim.
What is it about Queens that attracts so many shlechter who misappropriate the cloak of the rabbonus, participating & covering up such a travesty? Horrible ohn mentchen what you are!
So it want even Rav Elyashev it was dictated. Ah ha. Kli Sheiny even according to the mahseh zoogeh.
Kol shekain when it comes from the mahesh zoogeh who says he dictated to him and he is the proof that all the poskim blah blah....
But one thing is for sure Reb Eliyashev didn’t give a direct lemayseh psak. If anything it was a theoretical shiur IF the mayseleh would of ever occurred. As in Ben sorer oomoreh never really occurred.
That you are admitting after so many years and time spend to fardrei the Ganesh velt with yesoimim tales. Looks like we’re getting places with this coogadn drooshes.
It worked in the Yeshivos in Eretz Yisrael.
Your righteous disagreement with Philly has turned personal and blinded you. Get it straight: it's not about you!
It absolutely did NOT work in the Eretz Yisroeldik yeshivos where there's been a massive 2nd wave of outbreaks with huge numbers of mosdos forced to close again & huge numbers infected & in quarantine!
It became so out of control that Aryeh Deri, who had initially been working with Philly & Litzman to manipulate R' Chaim Kanievsky, could no longer defend the blood on his hands so he personally issued the order as Interior Minister to asser all yeshiva bochurim & seminary girls from returning.
The reason why it didn't work is because the so called bubble or capsule theory is an unworkable fraud. The Agudah got it from a Christian sect who have similar misguided religious drive to open camps at the expense of public health. The sect commissioned a report to justify it that came from a paid consultant to the pro-Communist China World Health Organization which has lied several times to downplay the severity of the virus.
Wow, so the Queens Vaad defender is now trying to revise history on the level of Holocaust deniers. It is well documented that there were 1000s of Yiddishe yesomim who were lost to epidemics that swept through NY orphanages. Even the NY Times reported it. And it is well documented that they were buried in Queens cemeteries later hijacked by the immoral, greedy Queens Vaad. And it is documented (before the Queens Vaad sealed everything off) that the kevorim disappeared after wide scale digs were photographed in progress to destroy the kevorim. These became the plots worth millions that suddenly were "available" to sell to freya choleryos & goyim.
Who needs ANY psak to see what morally bankrupt reshoyim are masquerading as "rabbonim" in Queens?
...were "available" to sell to freya choleryos & goyim.
The freya and the goyim got their plots alot cheaper in Washington Cemetary in Brooklyn.
The the Vaad also stole all the available land along the fences and land open up to all headstones over there (you heard it here first). And for that we dont need a "Nut Job" to concoct non traceable fiction just take a ride to brooklyn and check it out - if you can see past the fence coverings the installed to block anyones view of this game.
No trip to bribe shamashim in Israel necessary or to dig up fictitious documents for proof.
Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn, which even though they follow the pricing laws, they simply have zero space so it's anyway more expensive than in Queens where the Queens Vaad destroyed ELEVEN THOUSAND kivrei yesomim to create all kinds of new space!
https://www.marketplace.org/2014/10/13/how-do-cemeteries-make-money/
Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn ... tombstones packed so tightly they almost touch.
"People say I'll give you $30,000 if you give us a grave, he says. You could give us $1 million, we don’t have nothing to sell you."
Washington Cemetery is sold out
The 2nd article covering Queens cemeteries like VHQ's & next door owned by an UWS freya temple, explains how in areas where there are a lot of Russians, if operators (like Queens Vaad & Jacobson) are corrupt, there are a lot of deals for cash under the table at way above going rate, that violate State law regulating burial plot prices.
http://www.baysidecemeterylitigation.com/uploads/Laing_Master_s_Finished.pdf
By 1980, few societies were adding members, money was running out & many burial societies ceased to exist – either liquidated, taken over by other orgs, or simply disappearing.
"And these societies have dirty secrets – like when the president looking to make a quick buck, sells graves to funeral directors, who turn around & sell them for $1000s more than they’re worth," said Richard Fishman, director of the NY State Division of Cemeteries.
While the cat’s away, the mice will play. One significant ramification of the collapse of burial societies is the black market in cemetery plots. Since many societies were parochial, the administration's often one person, record keeping informal & unregulated. This means when it came time for the society to wrap up, the last president handed over remaining plots to a funeral director, who in theory, would properly handle their disposal on behalf of the society.
In practice however, this translated to graves sold illegally for exponentially more than they're worth. State law requires a funeral director who has excess graves offer them back to the cemetery, who has the option to buy them back at the original price + 4% interest.
"99% of the time, funeral directors don’t offer them back. They think 'I could sell this grave to a Russian & he’ll pay $17,000 cash'," said Fishman.
"The Russians" come up frequently in discussions because they're the most recent immigrants. According to Fishman, they're vulnerable to exploitation.
"You can tell the Russian graves in a Jewish cemetery because they have big portraits of the deceased, forbidden in Jewish law. Russians were atheists, they lost connection. You see them coming to graves more often than other Jews, because they don’t have belief in after life. All they have is the body," said Fishman.
In fact a 'Russian' monument in the middle of older graves is a red flag there's funny business going on. "You see Russians in Romanian plots where the last burial was 30 years ago. How'd they get into that society? By law, you have to have a connection to be buried in society ground, so funeral directors make these people members & pocket the cash for the plot from the Russians," said Fishman.
Fishman is full of stories of multitude ways this system can be exploited.
There's the woman who went to her husband's grave to find someone else buried in the plot next to him – which was reserved for her. In another case, a woman needed to bury her mother, who paid society dues since 1968, only to be told by the funeral director she needs to pay $8000 'cemetery fees'.
Said Fishman, "I call this guy & said 'You’re a bull artist. I authorize this burial right now'. He threatened to sue. I told him have a nice time doing that."
"A lot of Jewish operators view selling graves as selling land. They say to a society if you want us to clean your area, pay us. But that’s not the law – cemeteries own the land & they’re responsible for it," said Fishman, who doesn't have jurisdiction over Bayside because it's religious.
Didn’t know the Queens Vaad are also funeral directors. Otherwise 2:53 & 2:54 low life would not post his verbal venom.
He has no hate left in its body for anyone else. Besides QV has a deal with Washington that Washington collects $$ then they send the customer to Queens to get buried there. But not before they pay again. Then after 5 years they clean out the grave and they inform Washington that more graves are available
Of course this is all bubbleh
mayses but I’m trying to save CooGardn the effort of concocting more stories.
Nebach.
Interressant that the Queens Vaad at first lied about having a supposed posek who overrides Rav Elyashev. Then their agent lied on this blog erev Shabbos, denying that a single grave was ever disturbed in greedy enrichment schemes. But now that they were caught lying they switch the story around to some shady guys did it but no shaychus to Queens Vaad. Wrong again. As everyone knows, Jacobson was working bshutfus with the Queens Vaad. They needed each other to get away with the fraud to cash in on the huge profit.
http://www.chereefranco.com/notebook/2009/08/31/more-ozone-park-snapshots-of-mokom-sholom
Then there's Mokom Sholom. 11,000 children's headstones went missing. Cemetery reps say that the graves, originally paid for by United Hebrew Charities, were never there, although aerial photos taken over a period of decades show this claim to be false. Mokom Sholom is full, but apparently the rabbis who oversee the cemetery want to dump fresh earth over the now unmarked graves and create new burial plots - a huge theological misstep where Judaism is concerned. These two cemeteries are linked because Rabbi Elchonon Zohn of the Queens vaad harabanim expects to inherit Bayside eventually, and he justifies the double-burying in the name of a "good cause" - to pay for Bayside's repairs.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020608044703/www.jewishinterest.com/MokomSholom/mokomcont.htm
B”H seems like the Queens Chevrah are pretty busy creating new graves for guys like CooGardn when he’ll need it. You with all the mitzvis he does surfing the net to concoct his stories his plot is a permanent sale since Techiyas Hamaisim does not apply to him as opposed to the rest of Queens they are only renting their plots for a short time until Techiyas Hamaisim.
Only a very sick person would write that last comment at 7:41 pm
I get it actually why R' Yudel allows Yanky's garbage to post. It's obvious to many who he is and he really shows his true colors when he writes this stuff that is nothing short of self-righteous rishus.
What's really sad is some high ups in the OU know their mashgiach is this lunatic but they turn a blind eye because he is fort fighting to cover up every OU scandal exposed on this blog. (and Queens Vaad scandals too for those who are double dipping at the OU)
Terrible.
Someone does not feel right reading some truth for a change of pace.
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