Menashe Frankel has them use EMPIRE poultry, etc. that Reb Shnuer, Z"L did not allow in BMG.
You can (hopefully) ask for kosher fish.
From a comment: This caterer has some serious kashrus concerns that are in the areas of chilul Shabbos, Bishul Akum, Bos'ur Shenis'alem, treif utensils, misleading clientele, etc. R"L
We gave them some better choices from a kashrus point and reliability.
Lakewood caterers, restaurants, take-out, pizza stores, food service, etc. establishments do not all have an acceptable kashrus standard.
Some are more reliable from a kashrus standpoint.
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Zog Schron
To: “we notified them”.
You have the option of not making a wedding there and/or not eating there &/or not attending any event there (so that Lakewood residents would not accuse you of eating there Chas veshalon).
There are many MANYoeoe who do not observe your pesakim and/or chumrahs (including things you say is Halacha and other poskim disagree).
Thus we are glad you notified them that you’re not a happy camper and they will make a simple BUSINESS decision how to proceed.
But thank you anyway.
Is the issue the caterer or the fact that they have KCL (lack of) hashgocho.
it's not recent news that this caterer has serious issues, the KCL has had numerous kashrus issues that they found (which is far from the many they did not find). but "az min sh'mirt" etc.
the side bebefits to the kcl make it a hefsed mi'ribah to them.
Hey, if you want to eat at those places, go ahead. BUT, to invite guests to eat at your affair is stooping pretty low for a lakewood yeshiva'man.
Yoav is a Temimisdike Yid, and wont hurt a fly. He operates his business for many years giving tremendous tzedakah and helping those in need. I'm sure one can write a book about his chesed. What problems exactly do you have with his operation? Number one rule in hashgacha is you have to trust the Ba'al Habus. Please tell me what you cant trust about him.
Some of the kashrus concerns are in the areas of chilul Shabbos, Bishul Akum, Bosur Shenisalem, treif utensils, misleading clientel, etc. That sounds pretty serious.
Just with all of the accommodations he has to give to his hashgocha, is a sure sign that he has serious issues. A while back he had numerous issues with the kclk, then suddenly everything is all right, when in doubt follow the money trail.
he's no Temimisdike Yid at all, just a real Israeli.
All I read is innuendo. You haven't produced any documentation about these issues - only hearsay. Provide documentation.
It seems to me that all it is is petty jealousy over the fact that you're not getting the money for the place going under your Hashgocho.
Put up or shut up, you moral coward.
Anytime any underman invites you for a Mel you have the exact same issue most of the time.
This whole operation in צורך מצוה גדולה and for the price their charging it’s also a הפסד מרובה. So one can really be מיקל. As far as inviting guest, insulting your guest by not inviting the m is אבזריהו of שפיכת דמים which is דוחה כל התורה כולה -even Horav Hagaon Reb Yudels Torah or shticklach Taireh.
R' Yudel Shain does not give a hashgocha to any caterer, so what are you talking about. R' Yudels kashrus info over the years were always found to be correct. He caught numereous other food service places with serious issues, more than anyone else.
Reb yudel doesn't address those that feel that they must eat without limits.
Reb Has His Specialty ( Mistamah taught to him by Reb Shneur Zatzal - no one deny it). He gives his hashgacha on what's not kosher or what he claims is not kosher.
If you accuse everyone of being no good, then if there is ever a scandal you can claim you called it.
It would sure make you happy then if everyone sat back & did nothing in the face of corruption in many places. Similar "logic" as a late rav hamachshir who argued there was no point in checking lettuce because the repeatitive motions make you dizzy to the point you can't detect, so don't bother checking anything.
I know that the nervous Grumman only eat Pella or Frankel chicken so then can sleep at night that no Bakshish was involved. Also with the price they pay it’s easy to say: “I use Pella/Frankel you don’t”
Well, the same with wedding halls.
Everyone is looking for the”you use this hall I don’t” Hall.
Well here you got the two “I don’t” Halls. Now any other place is good enough even if they don’t let in Pella/Frankel even if you pay extra for it.
Reb Yudel !! Mission accomplished.
Did R’ Yudel see the viral video of food concessions in Kerestir with suspicious display of shgooche of the Eidah?
Or what's the explanation behind this? A Rav Chaim Shlomo Berger is lately identifying himself to people as the rav hamachshir of the Chassidishe kehilla in Casa Grande, Arizona. Does that mean that Rav Shteinmetz who moved there from Monsey is out? Or competing? And is it a coincidence that Chaim Shlomo Berger happens to be the name of the Libitchoiv Ruv of Monsey who gives shgoochos in Rockland County?
Galitzianer town halfway between Lvov & Lublin which in Polish is spelled Lubaczow but is pronounced Libitchoiv
https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/201796208
7-C Maple Leaf Rd
Monsey
home # is 845-352-8054
the Agudah directory spelling is incorrect
https://dafyomidirectory.org/shiur-location/congregation-migdal-hashain-libatchov-northern-metropolitan/
Rabbi Chaim Shlomo Berger
Congregation Migdal Hashain Libatchov @ Northern Metropolitan
225 Maple Ave
Monsey, NY, 10952
845.352.9000
he might be the hashgocho on the nursing home besides it housing his shul
but definitely certifies
https://www.instagram.com/viandekosher/
Viande - you might be able to see the symbol more clearly in the Hashgacha tab if you have an Instagram or FB account
also Mechel's takeout
symbol here:
It sound from this whole yenta comment that the nursing home and Mechel are moving to Casa Bakshish, AZ too.
Some Oola brand granola bars under OU-Sachdis sold in Lakewood state pareve on the outer box but milchdik on the inner wrappers
Someone is making a tummel that Heimishe Lakewood gesheften are selling Kronenbourg Blanc 1664 without any shgooche on the manufacture. It is officially a wheat beer with citrus. Does it need shgooche? These are the ingredients: Water, barley malt, wheat, glucose syrup, aromatic caramel, aromas, hop extract, stabiliser: acacia gum (E414), spices: orange peel, coriander.
An announcement just went out that the Oola granola bars under story is fake news. Someone made a mistake confusing 2 different kinds of product & got the askan riled up into making an incorrect announcement. The shlemazal paired the dairy with the pareve which is not sold like that.
https://nypost.com/2025/05/07/business/top-us-turkey-producer-maker-of-shady-brook-farms-eyes-exit-sources/
Could you tell us hillbillies who observe dietary laws who the caterer is and whose rabbinical supervision it is under?
Hillbillies? no-way. Just a פושע
These halls are Takooneh Halls. The Takooneh is very simple: Don't listen to Yudel. Thats what makes a takooneh hall.
Is this like a venting blog ??
..We notified them....... nebach no one listened, is listening or will listen. So B'H for this blog they can now blog and speculate to their heart's desire. On the end of the day, business is business and oilom goilom just eats and eats and eats.
With these type of halls where the kashrus is not what it should be, one should not put return cards in the invitation, so you aren't inviting anyone to eat there.
Oh, that is why people stopped putting return cards.
I know of some people that because of the kashrus, they don't put return cards.
You mean the Chasidin who haven’t used return cards in decades never made a kosher wedding.
By chasidim, you get up to dance or talk to someone for a minute, some other chosid is in your seat already, so they don't send return carrds. By non-chasidim, you get up for a minute, the waiter cleans off your portion.
In Torah Veyirah hall you got up for a few seconds & a Shnorrer was in your seat. He was alternating between all your already half eaten items to slurp up your zup with your leffel, fress your chicken portion & contaminate your glass to wash down the Essen with your trink. In the rest of the velt it’s bassar that has a din of nisaleim min ha’ayin. In that creepy place it’s everything else too that you have to assume was tampered with & full of germs from street bum types who probably never have medical care
That shnorer didn’t eat for a few days if there was no weddings
And grouses mussernik have a gantze shrikel ‘no-chochma no-daas’ shmooz about germs and other non sense. Did you slip that shnorer a 50 dollar bill ? Never in million years. And you complain about a chadidish hall?
Did you ever do 667 Eastern Parkway ? All the portions left over go to 2 tables at the door ( not back to the kitchen ) for anyone from the street that’s hungry.
Of course you would a end to this in a millisecond
You keep plopping on Yudels and all others know how to take care of the hungry and the poor.
Eastern Parkway eh? Chabad is also roshei taivos Chamoir Blee Daas which your June 1st Drooshe is Exhibit A in dem. You have no idea what anyone does for aniyim but you attack & make big mouth accusations, virtually like the flamethrower Arab in Colorado. There are bakovoddik oifanim how to give to aniyim. They have no recht to come en masse to act like ferds to shter simchos in the way that is takkah notorious at that Boro Park Satmar hall. And yes germs count. Poskim bring that people should not share eating & drinking utensils for shmiras haguf, something that a goof like you is in denial of
The KG mashgiach (1st comment in June) goes on the attack the second someone voices an opinion but meanwhile he’s the one who can’t stop spouting zein ‘groisseh’ deyos about everything & everyone under the sun. How would he know what’s going on in ballrooms anyway when he’s busy nosing around the commercial kitchen end of them under yeden hashgacha & shgoocha (except his employer’s) where he’s an unwanted nuisance? Talk about the ultimate SCHNORRER! While he claims that he “pays” his way at Bloomie’s, it’s durch that special ‘expense account’ provided by his bankrolling Rebbela. As Chazal point out, people can’t stand a SCHNORRER who’s brimming mit gaayveh
Woe. ויפתח….את פי האתון big time.
Sounds like the big eater from that Vaad. Forgot which one.
Looks like this chronic ploppeller was looking in the mirror while blogging and commenting.
rabbi Shain, Which chicken do they use and which chicken do you recommend?
Reb Shnuer Kotler, The Rosh Yeshiva did not allow Empire poultry into BMG. It's much worse now from a kashrus point.
Menashe Frankel is the sole owner of the halls. He farneigeled the Schrons, Stern, etc to put up the money for the benefit of the tzibur, now he is the sole owner. A shrewd, move-very erliich also- tongue in cheek.
ABSOLUTE SHEKER!!!
Empire is over-seen by the Nirabator.
The Nirbarter is "irelevant at Empire" It's Yechiel Babad from A to Z. That's why KAJ Breuer left there in a haste.
#1-KAJ left BEFORE the Nirabator came in.
#2- The Nirabator NEVER lets someone else lower his standards.
KAJ was there for years with the Nirbarter. They only ran away when Babad came in and became the entire plant's Tav Hamachshir. KAJ was kinda surprised the Nirbarter didn't leave at the same time.
The Nirbarter needs it for the Parnosah, for the Meal Mart /Alle chickens, so he must remain on the rotisserie.
Where did the entry go on the Philly-Bais Havaad scandal?
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/07/01/us-rabbis-boycott-court-that-allowed-priest-convert-nuptials/
Would this event be allowed in these halls?
Really?!? That’s your issue ?!?! Empire Chicken.
You know very well that Empire today is nothing as it was in Reb Shneur’s days.
You’re making a fool out of yourself by posting this.
Yes. You may have your classic Yudel issues with Empire of today but it has nothing to do with why RS didn’t allow it (assuming that the statement is true in the first place).
Reb Moshe sent a message to Reb Shnuer's shliach "Empire you don't serve to bnei torah". Today it's much worse, I know from the inside r"l.
I grew up in a house where they only allowed Empire.
If lies would make noise, this will scream, I was in this so called "mehudar Birdsboro," see https://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2017/02/birdsboro-poultry-limehadrin-report.html, and the place was a mess with tons of serious kashrus issues, now under the new ownership, Mesorah is much better than what it was then but still has a way to improve, from empire ask any employee from there why KAJ left,(I don't want to badmouth some people so this is all I would say) there are some places that are constantly getting improved, but tell me which plant in the northeast region lets & encourages the mashgichim & shochtim stop the line as many times as they want without getting a yelling, I dont know what empire was i R' Schneurs days, now its really in a very good kashrus standard.
At least you know where some of the timtum originated from.
From non-biased shechita experts, The most mehudar poultry Shechita in the USA was Birdsboro now called Mesorah. Even KJ or Franklin doesn't come close to Birdsboro/Mesorah.
@11:43, Where was the hiddur at Birdsboro? that machines broke every minute & all the workers were angry? or that they could have a day full of tzumas hagiddin (reovirus) & there was only one mashgiach per line that stood in a place that was so hot that even in the winter he would come out of the sweaty? or the way they were salting throwing it on top of the belt, were you ever in Bidsboro that you are talking? I was there & when I saw R' Yudel is recommending it, then I saw this guy doesnt know what he is talking about,
Reb Moshe send.....to Reb Shneur Shliach..... Like was pointed out before, IF its true ( no way of corroborating this in any way other then Yudel's Post. We'll be nice and its 50-50 that its true - probably a lot less - if true at all).
...And Yudel knows that but he can't get himself to admit it.
Guess all the Bais HaVaad BD ate that Chicken.
Over the past years, it was proven time and again without fail that Reb Yudel's information was always correct. The mere fact that some wanna'bes can't admit or just plain don't have the siyatah di'shimaya required doesn't change the cold facts.
Considering YUDEL himself wrote this…..
If one eats Empire Chicken in Lakewood, against Reb Yeedel recommendations then they throw ingehlaht in Tefeeseh.
Why is it that in some communities the caterer will nor do the job unless you assure them that there will be present a mashgiach during the event, but in Lakewood it's totally optional? On the caterer's contract there's like a che k box, "check here for optional mashguach?" Like what? So you have people making Simchas inviting people over with a KCL approved caterer and just a couple of waiters running the whole show from the kitchen.
Because Lakewood is not “some communities”.
Duh.
Please elaborate
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