Tuesday, July 23, 2019
Alert: Donuts and gluten-free deserts / cakes require Bishul Yisroel- Sfardim take heed
Note: Donuts are "cooked" not baked.
All Gluten-free cakes / deserts should be aware that it's to be considered "Bishul"/ cooked, not "Afia" / baked and it would require Bishul Yisroel.
Donuts per se are considered "Oileh-al-shulchan-mi'luchim" aka affairs, etc.
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6 comments:
Since when is a donut ole al shulchon milochim?
Since when is Gluten free 'oilah al shulchan Melacim" ?????
takka if the British Royals are now making Shvartz kinder than they probably eat junk food too
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bbc-radio-host-fired-for-racist-picture-depicting-royal-baby-archie-as-chimpanzee
vehayvin yovin
FYI-Every respectable affair in the world has a choice of "gluten-free" deserts, etc.
Bs"d
This is one issue in which I contend with commonly held views. I preface my words by saying that I wish only to re-examine the issue, not to forcibly enstate my view; so if anyone wishes to further respond to this comment - from my side they are welcome to do so:
Siman 168:13 in Orach Chaim writes about "sufganin" that; although there is reason to assume them to have the status of bread (as they were made out of thick dough), they are nonetheless given the brochah of "borei minei m'zonos" due to the fact that they were "softened by boiling and/or frying".
What constitutes "sufganin"? The given examples are "pashtida" (dough which is cooked in a somewhat pressed and/or saturated form as in kishke or pancakes) and "kreplech" (dough which is not baked, but rather cooked in a water-saturated environment). While the Brochah on these foods is "m'zonos", the Mechabaer adds that "a y'rei shamayim can be yotzai all opinions by eating them within a bread meal".
What is excluded from this group is "lukshen" - noodles; which never have any consistency of baked dough, and are merely a "maaseih k'deirah" and always "borei minei m'zonos" in any amount.
We have here three different types of dough- based foods:
1. Noodles. (always rubber-like without any type of baked dough consistency)
2. Pashtida (some semblance with baked dough, though not bread in the real sense)
3. Bread. (thick dough which was properly baked)
Noodles are always "m'zonos", while bread is always "hamotzi". "Pashtida" is generally "m'zonos"; but a large enough amount of it ("kvias seudah") would make it "hamotzi", and it is therefore subject to the dinim of "Pas Yisrael" of bread. The ironic twist regarding "sufganin" is that - despite the possibilty of it constituting bread it will nonetheless never take on the status of "pas habo b'kisnin" - that would give it the Halachik status of bread when eaten in a large enough amount. Thus, it would take on the requirement of "bishul yisrael" (as in noodles) without the "kulos" of "pas Yisrael" which are given to bread.
But the real issue I'm contending with here is "What is the status of deep-fried donuts"? Do they constitute "sufganin" (based upon their fried status) or are they "pas habo b'kisnin"; as they have basically (aside from their soft crust) contain the same texture as baked dough?
In real terms the question is if the status of bread is determined by "the manner in which the dough is cooked" vis-a-vis the actual CONSISTENCY of the cooked product. (I.e. If we determine bread status based upon consistency of its cooking/baking rather than the "exact method of cooking/baking employed"; then donuts, which are neither softened nor permeated by water or oil could still take on bread status and require only "Pas Yisrael" requirements. Since their main form is never altered or saturated, they deep-fry method is simply a means of "baking" the dough in an oil-based method - unlike pancakes whose entire texture is permeated and changed in the frying process. As the dough itself is sweetened, it would now have the same status as cake. This - the se'eif itself does not discuss.)
Based on the exact wording of the above se'eif that the sufganin dough "was softened" by the boiling/frying process, it seems to indicate that our determining focus is upon the consistency of the baked/cooked product, regardless of the exact manner in which it was baked/cooked.
If so, then doughnuts would maintain the status of "baked dough" and therefore be subject to "Pas Yisrael" rather than "Bishul Yisrael".
Gluten free Mezonos or hamotzee are absolutely not served at a State Dinner.
They direct stuff that are gluten free anyway onto the menu such as Quinoa and other grains but not in breads or cakes
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