This not written explicitly in the Torah thus mitav shyee-yee shogigin vahl yee-yee Mayzeedin applies. Women run most day camps - they may not understand or obey. Yeedin darfin machin parnooseh may be another heimish reason - ahzoyvee es iz gevai in den alter heim.
The audits are exactly what they are terrified of. Their gig is up with audits.
Why do you think R' Yudel had so much push back against him in the kashrus industry when he would just utter the word? They even bar him from coming to events in case his eyes & ears pick up on a few things.
Don't forget the audit results may conclude that Yudel is pushing too far if not over the cliff. Then Yudel will have to close down this site or keep doing what he is very good at: Bashmootzing the Audit.(BTW Bashmootzing can be the truth also. not all Bashmootzings are false).
You imply that all your information is second hand, from third parties. Thus when NEW information was heard you changed your tune although NOT completely as you say 'its in draft mode'. We highly highly doubt that there is ANY allowance for Loshon Horah coming from a third party. One of the Halachic conditions for spreading LH is first hand knowledge. Second hand knowledge is NEVER exact thus can not be trusted or repeated. The fact that you acted when you later heard NEW information is also halachalic troubling since that means: 1. You did not read the first LH information correctly. 2. You did NOT apply the 'Benefit of the doubt' rule. 3. There are many more LH rules broken here.
The above holds true even according to the Rambams you keep quoting (out of context, of course) and Reb Aron's LH rules as well as all the other sources you constanly quote.
The fact that you took it off your blog does not resolve the prohibitions violated or in any way undo it. To finish off, you have no business taking sides when two accepted batai dinim or two accepted factions disagree with each other. Just because you decided who is correct does not in any way make it binding on anyone except yourself. Thus spreading your opinion on some elses expense is a negligent violation of all LH rules
"There are often rabbonishe observers at dinei Torah so how do you know R' Yudel didn't hear from one of them?"
In most people's book the above is second hand news. Not acceptable to repeat as far as LH rules go. Of course there are many many 'burning' urges and many many ignorant non 'mitzvahs' of why one MUST be 'm'farsame' third party news, nevertheless they violate basic LH rules.
Am Haaretz and/or Avaryan at 11:20 am, if a talmid chochom is rightfully concerned by something improper he saw at the din Torah & tells R' Yudel altz toyeles to prevent a pirtzah of ervah & mamzerus in Klal Yisroel, then it is a chiyuv on R' Yudel to help him be mefarsem. Only a dray kop or premeditated machtee es horabim would command that R' Yudel be muzzled.
Thank you for clearly demonstrating where you stand.
גפני אחרי 30 שנה הגיע הזמן לומר די סיים את תפקידך גם לך יש מחליפים . מעטים האנשים שיודעים לומר סיימתי את תפקידי והגיע הזמן ללכת. כנראה גם גפני המשופשף לא מבין שתם זמנו. אילו היה מבין איזה אמבוש מחכה לו הוא היה מתכנן את פרישתו בכבוד. בטוחני שגם מרן הרב שך זצוק”ל, לא היה מאפשר לגפני לחמם את הכיסא 30 שנה בכפירה בקב"ה
אתם מבינים 30 שנה הבחור מחמם את הכיסא מדבר דברי גידוף נגד ד' ית' וחושב שכולנו מטומטמים? והוא היחיד שמציל את אותנו? מוישלה גפני יש יותר מוכשרים ממך!!! ותן לנו להשפיע ולהצליח. 10 אחוז מעריכים אותך על הכל* אבל הגיע הזמן לקחת פסק זמן וללכת הבייתה. לפני שמישהו ייאלץ אותך שתלך ולא בכבוד אלא עם פצצת סירחון שתריח הרבה מאד זמן. בשבילך ובשביל כבוד משפחתך אפשר לנו לא לפתוח את תיבת הפנדורה ולסיים בכבוד
בכנסת הבאה שבהמלצת כל הגורמים כדאי מאד למענך ולמען משפחתיך שלא ייאלצו לבקר אותך מאחורי סורג ובריח שתלך לכולל ללמוד כפי שהיה נוהג לומר שלמה לורנץ שהוא מתגעגע לכולל
If the talmid chochom who spoke to R' Yudel was at the din Torah then he is a 1st hand source for R' Yudel to use his information here.
Mr. Kvetch doesn't like anyone to be "confused" with the FACTS of Belz & Philly misbehaving.
He talks of Reform but his behavior alein is like the Reform rabbis who advise their flock to not speak to orthodox rabbis. Because the Reform rabbis are afraid that someone might become enlightened by the truth.
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This not written explicitly in the Torah thus mitav shyee-yee shogigin vahl yee-yee
Mayzeedin applies.
Women run most day camps - they may not understand or obey.
Yeedin darfin machin parnooseh may be another heimish reason - ahzoyvee es iz gevai in den alter heim.
Does this include the complimentary portions for Wiesner?
we need a independent kashrus agency
that will do audits
for every agency
we pay good money for this
The audits are exactly what they are terrified of. Their gig is up with audits.
Why do you think R' Yudel had so much push back against him in the kashrus industry when he would just utter the word? They even bar him from coming to events in case his eyes & ears pick up on a few things.
Don't forget the audit results may conclude that Yudel is pushing too far if not over the cliff. Then Yudel will have to close down this site or keep doing what he is very good at:
Bashmootzing the Audit.(BTW Bashmootzing can be the truth also. not all Bashmootzings are false).
For not being a relative - the Belz/Aidah Politics disappeared quickly.
We were given some new info. so It was put into draft mode, in case it goes back up.
Unbelievable!!!
"We were given some new info...."
You imply that all your information is second hand, from third parties. Thus when NEW information was heard you changed your tune although NOT completely as you say 'its in draft mode'.
We highly highly doubt that there is ANY allowance for Loshon Horah coming from a third party. One of the Halachic conditions for spreading LH is first hand knowledge. Second hand knowledge is NEVER exact thus can not be trusted or repeated.
The fact that you acted when you later heard NEW information is also halachalic troubling since that means:
1. You did not read the first LH information correctly.
2. You did NOT apply the 'Benefit of the doubt' rule.
3. There are many more LH rules broken here.
The above holds true even according to the Rambams you keep quoting (out of context, of course) and Reb Aron's LH rules as well as all the other sources you constanly quote.
The fact that you took it off your blog does not resolve the prohibitions violated or in any way undo it.
To finish off, you have no business taking sides when two accepted batai dinim or two accepted factions disagree with each other. Just because you decided who is correct does not in any way make it binding on anyone except yourself. Thus spreading your opinion on some elses expense is a negligent violation of all LH rules
3:47 pm, vos hockst du a tcheinik?
There are often rabbonishe observers at dinei Torah so how do you know R' Yudel didn't hear from one of them?
Is it because you are just another tcheinik hocker with an ANOICHEE complex that no one can be right except you?
Or have you joined the other couple of nudniks in the "Never Yudel" movement with their anti-Yudel derangement syndrome?
https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/the-left-needs-to-face-reality-trump-is-winning/
It's time to face the facts
"There are often rabbonishe observers at dinei Torah so how do you know R' Yudel didn't hear from one of them?"
In most people's book the above is second hand news. Not acceptable to repeat as far as LH rules go.
Of course there are many many 'burning' urges and many many ignorant non 'mitzvahs' of why one MUST be 'm'farsame' third party news, nevertheless they violate basic LH rules.
Am Haaretz and/or Avaryan at 11:20 am, if a talmid chochom is rightfully concerned by something improper he saw at the din Torah & tells R' Yudel altz toyeles to prevent a pirtzah of ervah & mamzerus in Klal Yisroel, then it is a chiyuv on R' Yudel to help him be mefarsem. Only a dray kop or premeditated machtee es horabim would command that R' Yudel be muzzled.
Thank you for clearly demonstrating where you stand.
"Thank you for clearly demonstrating where you stand.'
May sound logical to a guy who has not studied the Halachos of
Loshon Horah.
But the Loshon Horah halachos are still valid in spite of these "good intentions"
Sounds like another reform movement is starting here. Right on Yudel blog.
Remember: Its second hand info even if he is a "Talmid Chochom" who knows nothing about shmiras HaLoshon.
גפני אחרי 30 שנה הגיע הזמן לומר די סיים את תפקידך גם לך יש מחליפים . מעטים האנשים שיודעים לומר סיימתי את תפקידי והגיע הזמן ללכת. כנראה גם גפני המשופשף לא מבין שתם זמנו. אילו היה מבין איזה אמבוש מחכה לו הוא היה מתכנן את פרישתו בכבוד. בטוחני שגם מרן הרב שך זצוק”ל, לא היה מאפשר לגפני לחמם את הכיסא 30 שנה בכפירה בקב"ה
אתם מבינים 30 שנה הבחור מחמם את הכיסא מדבר דברי גידוף נגד ד' ית' וחושב שכולנו מטומטמים? והוא היחיד שמציל את אותנו? מוישלה גפני יש יותר מוכשרים ממך!!! ותן לנו להשפיע ולהצליח. 10 אחוז מעריכים אותך על הכל* אבל הגיע הזמן לקחת פסק זמן וללכת הבייתה. לפני שמישהו ייאלץ אותך שתלך ולא בכבוד אלא עם פצצת סירחון שתריח הרבה מאד זמן. בשבילך ובשביל כבוד משפחתך אפשר לנו לא לפתוח את תיבת הפנדורה ולסיים בכבוד
בכנסת הבאה שבהמלצת כל הגורמים כדאי מאד למענך ולמען משפחתיך שלא ייאלצו לבקר אותך מאחורי סורג ובריח שתלך לכולל ללמוד כפי שהיה נוהג לומר שלמה לורנץ שהוא מתגעגע לכולל
מושי גפני: "נא" לֵךְ לְשָׁלוֹם, ארוז ציוד, תנוח בשלום, וסע לשלום, ואל תחזור לגדף, וכו'
If the talmid chochom who spoke to R' Yudel was at the din Torah then he is a 1st hand source for R' Yudel to use his information here.
Mr. Kvetch doesn't like anyone to be "confused" with the FACTS of Belz & Philly misbehaving.
He talks of Reform but his behavior alein is like the Reform rabbis who advise their flock to not speak to orthodox rabbis. Because the Reform rabbis are afraid that someone might become enlightened by the truth.
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