All the "show n tell" of properly cleaning infestation from vegetables & fruit, etc does it work in the real world? [see Chasam Sofer # 130, brought in Mishnah Berurah-Pesach]-First, one must be trained to become profecient in knowing what to look for. Second, one must be trained in the proper methods of cleaning. One must have patience and good eye sight. The chasam Sofer sstates, otherwise one may not do his own checking As the Ramoh says in hilchos nikur "these thing one can't learn from books, only from experts.
An person that was not trained & tested by an expert remains unqualified to check infestation for himself, others or as a mashgiach. R"L
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Major kol korei against Knupfler??
Star K, OU-Belsky & Chof K food service (aka Gissinger-Abecasis) do not belong on the same page as R' Moishe Vaye.
So in essence, the CRC's video, The OU's, Kof-K's, Star-k's, etc are not li'maaseh only for show n tell. Understood.
How's the commercial ones with hashgochas? e.g Bodek, Eden, Postive, Golden Taste, Dole, Yoka, Shutz, Rapaprt, etc?
I'm talking for someone that still has the minhag not to eat insects even with heteirim, miut sheanoi mutzui, midgam, samples, etc.
Mon Dec 05, 05:24:00 PM 2011
http://www.hcn.org/issues/43.20/hersh-saunders-transformation-from-prosthodontist-to-kosher-slaughterer
Hard to believe the OU actually certifies the shechita from these two weirdos, wife & husband "rabbis". Even their picture is creepy.
http://www.ecoglatt.com/
Under 3 hashgochos
Limited products under the OU
2nd hashgocho:
http://www.bneiorjewishrenewel.com/
Rabbi Dr. Robert "Hersh" Saunders
B'nei Or
Pueblo CO
719-406-0839
He is not orthodox or even Conservative. He is "Renewal".
http://jstreet.org/j-street-and-brit-tzedek-vshalom-have-integrated/
Saunders is on the "Rabbinic" cabinet of the pro-Palestinian J Street group of self hating Jews.
He actually shechts the meat for this company and also bills himself as an expert on nikkur achorayim
3rd hashgocho:
Rabbi Harry Zeitlin
Congregation Beth Ha'ari
5508 35th Ave NE, Suite 205
Seattle, WA
98105
(206) 524-9740
http://www.ecoglatt.com/images/com_tienda/products/38/img_0849.JPG
This is a picture of Zeitlin's kashrus symbol
http://www.localharvest.org/ecoglatt-inc-M43099?p=2
Zeitlin is advertised as Orthodox but he is not!
http://www.congregationbethhaari.org/page1.htm
He calls himself "Paradox" and is also a member of the Renewal movement
http://www.aleph.org/documents/KolAlephSpring2010.pdf
Rabbi Genack must really love tracking down yeden meshugenna that wants to produce meat. Ecoglatt is owned by Saunders' wife Renewal "rabbi" Elisheva Emily Brenner. She must come highly recommended by Dokter Rabbiner Seth Mandel as she is one of the rabbonim of the Hazon group.
With the ou method not much checking is needed. If one washes with lots & lots of soap the bugs are usually gone. All you need is to see that its clean you do not have to identify if it is dirt or bugs. Both will be gone.
OU being "clean", my foot.
Belsky came up with the chiddush that it's ok to check fresh broccoli which most American hashgochos rely on. If mashgichim even have any training, it is still impossible to clean fresh broccoli as per the gedolei Eretz Yisroel since the time of R' Shlomo Zalman. You don't need the gedolim to tell you as there is no way it will be clean unless you open up every little floret.
http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2011/12/tale-of-two-conventions.html
http://commie.droryikra.com/v63i9/letters/kleinmta.shtml
Ephraim Klein is a modern orthodox fellow in Cedarhurst. Here is a letter he wrote to the YU newspaper criticizing "black hat" yeshivos.
http://unitedpackaginggroup.net/contactus.html
He owns a food company in Far Rockaway called United Packagaing Group which the brands Coffee Break and Kosher Select.
http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/?alert=A3570
They were dropped by OK and Tartikov Beis Din for kashrus violations.
http://unitedpackaginggroup.net/kosher.html
But they advertise they are certified by cRc and veiter by Tartikov.
The following Kellogg"s Cereals will be changing their status from Pareve to Dairy and will be marked as such with the KD symbol
All Bran Buds
Cinnabon Crunchy Cinnamon
Eggo Cereal
Fyi, the Denver Vaad announced that they inspected corn on the cob and found it infested with insects.
Call me a cynic but I was very suspicious that this announcement prompted cRc Chicago and Star K Baltimore to react within days that oh no, we checked ourselves and found nothing. How many corn companies do these certifiers take a fee from?
Regarding Kellogg's, there is a rov in Queens who tells everyone that since R' Moishe & R' Aron wrote against KVH for joining with Conservative rabbis, no one should eat from that hashgocho. He's not mispoel from grosya payos either as he doesn't eat from VHQ even after the chuchem arrived from Boston.
Show n tell is a good description. That's what they call it in 1st grade when my kid wants to bring something to show the morah and other kinderlach.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/magazine/10Kosher-t.html?pagewanted=all
We know already that the OK lets clients get away with a lot, even more if they are fellow Lubavitchers, and the most if they are Lubavitchers with protectzia.
It is therefore no surprise then how Basil restaurant gets away with this. Owner Danny Branover is a Lubavitcher but maybe he should not be that untouchable since he is a baal teshuvah.
But he is not just any baal teshuva
http://www.collive.com/pics//nf_2226_190247.jpg
Here is a picture of him sitting with his shver, Lubavitcher billionaire Sholom Ber Drizin. Drizin pumped millions into Agri to keep Rubashkin afloat for a while after the raid.
Now you know that Basil restaurant is REALLY untouchable.
any relation? a rabbi mordechai shain giving hashgocho to hamsa restaurant in tenafly nj
I just read Klein's letter.
Not one word can be construed as disrespectful.
Star K is only supposed to certify cholov Yisroel. They usually pawn off the cholov treifah to Young Israel's Star D but sometimes they quietly hang on to it. They did this with a macaroni & cheese item last year and now they are doing it with beer.
http://kosherbeers.blogspot.com/2011/11/sunday-night-suds-samuel-adams-black.html
Chocolate Bock from Samuel Adams is dairy, not cholov Yisroel. Star K certifies it but has been very reluctant to admit it. They do not publish it anywhere. This has led to a lot of confusion which prompted Scharf to ask them for an official response in which they did not deny it.
A talmid of R' Berel said a long time ago he is choshesh Shmuely Boteach is a mamzer because all he does is talk out loud about inyanei ishus. I don't understand how this loser is now writing for mainstream secular newspapers considering how so much money disappeared before Lubavitch kicked him out of shlichus in Oxford and put him in cherem.
I mention this because he has a disgusting piece in the paper today that is pure trash. He is just writing about znus that has nothing remotely to do even with ishus.
Shmuely Boteach has a partner in Lawrence, Rav Duvid W. also busy a whole day & night with ishus issues. He'll call it a different frumie names etc, but it's all based around women a gantzeh tug.
weinberger is on shalom task force if you called that number make sure to stay away from him,
dovid weinbegrer gave interview to mishpcha magazine were he writes his 48 hour of olam habuh i think he is confused with the mam chais sharrey tumah he is in maybe his shul should chance names to shareey tumah
please do not confused sharrey tfilah from monsey under rav schlesinger ask him what he thinks about weinbegrer ,
weinbegrer is the brotherlaw of alpert who in turn is trooper mechutan the apple dose not fall from the sheretz.
If that choshuveh rov would really know anything about kashrus and not just let his members 'plopple' what is 'stylish' in kashrus, then he would not use the caterers he uses for his simchas and events.
When someone always just looks over his shoulders to see whats going on in the other brooklyn 'shchinas' in order to determine what he should allow in his place, its 'uch in vei' on him and his members, especially the 'enlightened' members.
The ou insect book was put together by a team of yeshiva'she guys who tested the procedure time and again.
They also used guidance from the world expert who resides in eretz Yisroel and is in contact with ALL EY gedoilim. He did pick and choose which gedoilim to ask what so that he can hear his predetermined answers.
Not like some of the bloggers and commenter's on this site.
Remember the controversy with Ouri Nidam's catering business?
First they were dropped by OK.
They then briefly went under the Rabbi Shain from Mirrer yeshiva. He seemed to have distanced himself pretty quickly.
http://www.imageusa.com/images/stories/March11/ouris-Logo-copy.jpg
Then Star K came rushhhhhhing in to grab the fee. (Swoooosh)
http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2010/06/chewing-gum-some-of-concerns.html?showComment=1276137601888#c87012402754795389
Then Star K, trying to cover up the scandal that erupted after it was revealed that blatant chilul Shabbos was allowed at a high profile bar mitzva in Yankee stadium, pretended they no longer certified Ouri, even though they really did.
Then Ouri was kicked out by the Yankees. This might have had something to do with the din Torah involving Queens Vaad certified Striks who said Ouri unfairly pushed them out.
Then Ouri was dropped by Beth Torah on Ocean Parkway. This shul which was his long time headquarters switched to Ezra Khassky who owns a number of caterers including one under KAJ.
http://www.dailygemara.com/Default.asp?PageDate=11/7/2006
With all the controversy it seems a little odd that Rabbi Eli Mansour uses Ouri as his official caterer for his daf yomi shiur. He is the young Syrian rabbi who is a popular maggid & rising star even with the yeshivishe crowd.
There are actually 50 shaarei tumah, not 48.
I was reading that string of comments about the hard drinks from the modern ortho group with Rav Zusha Blech. I know one of the dingbats in that group. The zero what he is was arguing in front of me about a psak from Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zatzal and mouthed off very arrogantly that "these rosh yeshivas have their heads in the Gemara all day and don't understand the real world".
re ephraim klein's letter
he is trying to be respectful insofar that he recognizes its a free country and bnei torah can do what they want at black hat yeshivos but its obvious that he thinks we are a bunch of nebichals who missed the boat
but who cares about a dumb letter to YU. i care about kashrus violations and the mystery of why tartikov is still on his website. and whats with crc chicago? are they really certifying post scandal?
Hey yoyo,
Do you mean the same Schlesinger who is good friends with Leib Tropper and did everything to protect him from the beis din?
Which Alpert is Tropper a mechutan mit? R' Nissan's family or the really rich modern ones from Lawrence?
That rov at least knows enough about kashrus to not use you
Who do you consider yeshivish at the OU? All your Queens Vaad Young Israel rabbis who work there?
Klein's letter is nothing compared to that miserable jerk Charlie Miller in Woodmere. The rabbi of the Young Israel there, Hershel Billett, invited a galach to speak in the sanctuary on Shabbos morning. Billett came under attack from the yeshivish rabbonim as that is assur. Miller wrote a
letter to 5 Towns Jewish Times to attack the yeshivish velt. While he was at it, he was obviously
upset that Rav Salomon had just visited the area, so he singled him out and called Lakewooders a bunch of unproductive loafers. A modern orthodox guy wrote a rebuttal telling Miller to shut his ignorant mouth and rebuked Billet because even Rav Soloveitchik assers it.
The Alpert-Tropper wedding was mentioned in that hilarious recording where Tropper was begged by Malcolm Hoenlein to seat him at the simcha next to Tom Kaplan. Malcolm must have heard about all the money Kaplan gives out for every meshugass around. Everything from phony gerim who want to marry Yidden to taking care of lions and tigers. Well, Chazal did say lo yigdal kelev ra instead of chatul ra.
The two anonymous comments at 5:41 & 5:46 are both from 'you know who' at the Queens Vaad.
Let's pick apart his latest nonsense and explain what he REALLY means:
"If that choshuveh rov would really know anything about kashrus"
[You usually call your critics "apikorsim" but when they are rabbonim in the community, you can't get away with your going for the jugular approach so you have to find a more subtle and backhanded way of discrediting them. Talk about reeking from gaayvah that you automatically call a rov a know-nothing when he is smart enough to not eat from YOU]
"and not just let his members 'plopple' what is 'stylish' in kashrus, then he would not use the caterers he uses for his simchas and events."
[Interessant how you are quick to slam every hashgocho around you from 5 Towns to Long Beach to Brooklyn when you can't get your own house in order (RESIGN!). Buried in that remark is also your fanatical application of lashon harah to anyone who has a problem with Queens Vaad while you don't hold by the same standard as you bashmutz everyone else. HYPOCRITE!]
"When someone always just looks over his shoulders to see whats going on in the other brooklyn 'shchinas' in order to determine what he should allow in his place,"
[It's irrelevant whether someone may or may not be doing that. When the only "choice" in town is you, and you shtink, there is no braira except to geb a kuk elsewhere]
"its 'uch in vei' on him and his members, especially the 'enlightened' members."
[Thank you for being so candid on how you hold those shul members in such contempt. I thought they might be your type as they are similar to the chevra who dray zich arum in the hallways by the Agudah convention. I guess I was "wrong". Haha!]
"most practicle said..."
[Maybe practical for you when your modern orthodox masters force you to be no more frum than OU, and sometimes not even that. After you use your spell check, RESIGN!]
"The ou insect book was put together by a team of yeshiva'she guys who tested the procedure time and again."
[Yeah sure. As if they are the last word about what to implement when you've got Rabbi Mach Mich a Heter and the supreme boss who does whatever he pleases]
"They also used guidance from the world expert who resides in eretz Yisroel"
[What guidance? They do not follow Rav Vaye's shitos. How stupid do you think people are?]
"and is in contact with ALL EY gedoilim."
[And ALL EY gedoilim say the exact opposite of Belsky and all the pipsqueak hashgochos who follow him in lockstep despite his being such a controversial daas yochid. Which gedolim ever allowed "checking" fresh broccoli? R' Shlomo Zalman was among the maykilim when he said you could puree. Who allows anisakis?]
"He did pick and choose which gedoilim to ask what so that he can hear his predetermined answers."
[Does that include Rav Elyashev? We all know the Queens Vaad doesn't give a darn what the zkan hador has to say]
"Not like some of the bloggers and commenter's on this site."
[Yes, we sit back and listen to what all the gedolei EY have to say, just in case even one of them might agree with you. So far we've had no such luck]
Where does Shalom Task Force find all these winners? They also hired Neuhoff who was running the shmitzike blog for Margulies and Belsky that was full of nivul peh and other issurim when the whole supposed point of Belsky's ridiculous psak was to stop Mendlowitz. It was really disgusting by the way that Neuhoff was picked to address women at this Agudah convention. The message the Agudah is sending is that we will reward you for doing our dirty work, no matter how dirty you get in the process.
It's not like a lot of the hashgochos who hide behind Rabbi Belsky on broccoli are providing proper training to their mashgichim to at least do what he says.
http://online.wsj.com/video/japan-latest-radiation-scare/8F1DED4F-4B86-4F17-95DD-AF6E69949C8B.html
The discovery of radioactive contaminants in one of Japan's most popular baby formulas has fed a crisis of confidence about the nation's food supply.
When 5 Towns Jewish Times reported the scandal of the galich giving the Shabbos deroshoh at Young Israel of Woodmere, it was the typical sickening display that you can expect from Larry Gordon and Rabbi Yair Hoffman. They tried to smooth everything over to appease both sides of the machlokes. They think its better for business but it really only convinces people what lengths they will go in making idiots of themselves to maybe save a few ad dollars from leaving the newspaper.
The WSJ article means that Japanese contaminated food will be dumped in the global market for dirt cheap and unscrupulous businessmen will buy it to sell to you with the origin disguised.
C.S. resign! said...
Look who's darshining about loshon horoh.....
What a deranged person you are. You again prove the point exactly that you accuse anyone saying a word letoyeless about VHQ or yourself as saying lashon hora, apikorsis and whatever other false descriptions you come up with, which you think will cover up your cover ups.
Meanwhile you go around bashmutzing on blogs, on the phone and in person anyone who did or might have said something or even just knows something about the scam you've got going.
The above includes the lies you tell people about Rabbi Yudel Shain messing up kashrus at Queens catering halls when he hasn't been to the borough in ages.
Why don't you go back to shuffling papers at your original job instead of implementing substandard kashrus for your modern orthodox masters.
..letoyeless..
Wow! Who taught you this new word?
You have no idea what 'letoyeless' means. And you'll NEVER know.
alpert trooper mechutan got divorce maybe weinberger will be next they say you wont catch him talking to a men??
weinberger lives with his wife and motherlaw is he oiver cherem drabeynu gershom?
"When someone always just looks over his shoulders to see whats going on in the other brooklyn 'shchinas' in order to determine what he should allow in his place, its 'uch in vei' on him and his members, especially the 'enlightened' members."
But it's ok when YOU look over YOUR shoulders to obediently take orders from your modern orthodox masters who want a watered down version of kashrus?
Pnei haQueens Vaad dor kpnei hakelev
Pnei haQueens Vaad dor kpnei hakelev
get rid of spotlight wuth his 'chozer al kiyoi stuff and that will solve the pnai hakelev problem.
Nice try fool.
The Chofetz Chaim said pnei hakelev maint that the "leader" acts like a hundt because instead of doing the right thing, he is always turning around to see what is wanted by people who do not have the right hashkofoh.
This was said even about elected politicians. Al achas kamma vekamma some unelected schmos like you who for financial reasons are always looking over your shoulders to see what your rich modern orthodox constituents want
For NO show and TELL listen to Spotlight from Queens.
Ish chossid haya - bli mazon umichya
If you want to keep kosher in Queens you have to avoid the VHQ stores that are not so kosher
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