‘Cause for concern’ meat plants will be named and shamed - FSA
By Mark Astley, 24-Jan-2012- Will Kosher certifiers follow suit?
UK meat plants considered a ‘cause for concern’ based on audit reports will be named and shamed as part of a new Food Standards Agency (FSA) scheme, it has revealed.
The list, which will be updated on a weekly basis, currently holds the name of eight UK premises including slaughterhouses and cutting plants. The publication follows an agreement by the FSA Board to publish this type of information as part of its on-going transparency commitments. The FSA categorises an establishment as a ‘cause for concern’ based on a food businesses compliance with regulations and its most recent audit scores – taking into account hygienic production, environmental hygiene and HACCP.
“These establishments must put in place improvements to ensure required standards are met,” said the agency’s website.
Commercial consequences-
British Meat Processors Association (BMPA) director Stephen Rossides told FoodProductionDaily.com that although the scheme serves a purpose, there could be commercial consequences. “The FSA is an organisation that has long promoted transparency. It publishes all and any information it has, whether it is on inspection audits or those establishments that have become a cause for concern,” said Rossides.
“It does serve a purpose because no one wants to be on the ‘cause for concern’ list. It works as an incentive, but it could have commercial consequences.” “We at the British Meat Processing Association (BMPA) are keen to increase standards in all meat plants, and if this is the best way to do it, so be it.”
Highlights concern -
Publication of the ‘cause for concern’ list comes less than a week after audit reports from more than 200 meat establishment were published by the FSA.
The main aims of the audits are to make sure that these plants are complying with food law requirements and ensure they meet public health standards.
“Publication of the cause for concern list is our latest commitment to presenting our work in the public domain. We think it’s important to highlight plants that continue to give us concern,” said FSA CEO Tim Smith.
“If our inspectors decided that hygiene standards in a plant are so poor that public health could be at imminent risk, we would immediately stop that plant from operating. However, for those businesses that could improve quickly by following our advice, we hope that publication of this list will push them to raise their game and get off the list.”
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Will Kosher certifiers follow suit?
Judging from previous episodes, NO.
Rubashkin got the worst USDA writeups of any shlachthoiz, kosher or treif. So what happens? A bunch of self-serving organizations: OU, Agudah, Young Israel & Lubavitch get together for a mock "inspection" and lie through their teeth to deny befeirush violations posted on the USDA website. They won't allow anyone to join the tour unless they were vetted to ensure maximum obedience to the directors of the charade. The yechidim who spoke up in protest became the victims of a smear campaign. OU head of shechita Dr. Rabbi Seth Mandel goes on the pages of the Torah Times to say R' Yudel is a non-entity who is "persona non grata at many kosher companies". Then OU mashgiach and former Young Israel pulpit rabbi Yair Hoffman uses an alias to attack Rubashkin critics for the 5 Towns Jewish Times who are driven by OU & Rubashkin ad dollars. Then the same newspaper hires Aryeh Ginzberg from Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim to attack & bashmutz the biggest talmidei chochomim in the 5 Towns for not supporting the Rubashkin propaganda / fundraising circus at the White Shul, a modern orthodox place whose rabbi is the biggest Agudah wannabe around.
Speaking of the 5 Towns Jewish Times and it's greedy fresser publisher "Larry" Gordon, a moderne Lubavitcher who grew up davening in 770, he is making a churban out of kashrus and every Torah hashkofa. He is a greedy fresser because he will publish seemingly any ad as long as he's getting paid a few kopecks for it. But he won't run a story on any tzedoka organization unless they buy ads. He even had the nerve in the last Congressional election to suddenly stop supporting Bob Turner and cheerlead for the menuval David Weprin because Turner didn't buy ads in the paper but Weprin did. When the gedolim sent askonim to ask "Larry" what the heck he was doing, he had no shame telling them.
"Larry" takes money from tour companies operating with Conservative hashgocha or sometimes even completely treif.
One company running ads in Larry's paper is under the hashgocho of the husband & wife duo of Rabbi Dr. Aaron Michelson, US Army Col. (retired) & Rebbitzen Dr. Rona Michelson.
Although they travel as a pair, they are giving separate hashgochos. He on tours to Vietnam & she on tours to China.
The tour companies that hire them also have orthodox rabbonei machshir for other destinations but try to pass off the Michelsons as orthodox too. It helps that Michelson has a big white beard and worked for Arutz Sheva. They are old school Conservative. Even Michelson's father was a big shot Conservative rabbi with semicha from JTS in 1935.
On the tours to the Far East they are going to all the places of avodas elilim.
Who is this Aryeh Zev Ginzberg from the 5 Towns? His fax number is busy tone constantly. His Chofetz Chaim Torah Center has email addresses for the diffent divissions-the emails come back as unvalid. He claims he has an unknown bais-din (under cover?).
Anyone know if he's legit?
Being that the truth is not a strong point of Aryeh Zev Ginzberg, but paid propaganda is, I shudder to think what kind of integrity any beis din he runs would have. Ginzberg runs a production every summer in the 5 Towns to bring his rebbe Rav Scheinberg and put him on display to dole out brochos to the public like he is some kind of chassidishe Rebbe. When it became public knowledge that Rav Scheinberg is a personal friend of Margulies and tampered with dinei Torah to shut down batei din investigating Kolko and made up something that has no basis in the Torah that Kolko is allowed to molest, there was a huge uproar and Ginzberg was losing a lot of customers. (The reaction to Rav Scheinberg amongst poskim & gedolim has varied from outrage & condemnation to limud zchus that he is either partially senile or is affected by almost never sleeping.)
Since it was bad for PR & busine$$, Ginzberg issued a letter that stated a lie, denying that Rav Scheinberg defended Kolko.
Rabbonim have also criticized Ginzberg for taking a free paid vacation at a Pesach hotel under an agency with known kashrus problems. The caterer of course plastered Ginzberg's picture all over the newspapers to sucker people into thinking it must be safe to eat.
I wonder how jackabowitz and teitelbaum would hold out after they were caught selling liver that was not koshered properly.
Meal Mart did not sell unkashered liver. They sold liver that stated on the package it must be broiled first. But because they were sloppy and wrote other misleading things on the package, all kinds of people thought they were ready to eat as is.
http://www.lamotte.de/cms/uploads/tx_cliwdownloads/Kosher_Oils_0511_02.pdf
Dov Levi Barsilay was fired by the kehillah as the Chief Rabbi of Hamburg and replaced with Rabbi Shlomo Bistritzky when they discovered Barsilay is a fraud with a forged semicha. This does not stop Barsilay from continuing to call himself the Chief Rabbi of the city as well as of the German state of Schleswig-Holstein and to continue giving hashgochos.
meat plants will be named and shamed - Will Kosher certifiers follow suit?
Mamash apikorsis! You can only name & shame people who criticize or compete with the Queens Vaad.
Belsky is a big machmir on Rav Scheinberg's shita. Where Rav Scheinberg only spoke softly to tell little boys that Kolko did not do any aveirah to them, Belsky yelled and threatened, turning them white with pachad. He was even scarier than Margulies slapping them across the face. And don't forget the "honorable" mention for Shea Fishman who told all kinds of little boys and their mishpochos he would go to the gedolim to get help, when all he did was turn around and give Margulies their names, leading to thugs on the Torah Temimah payroll calling their homes with all kinds of mafia threats. When the lawyer from Long Beach, Eli Pasik, publicly exposed him, Fishman went running so fast to resign from Torah Umesorah that he left burn marks on the carpet.
Fact Checker..... You are wrong ! The liver was not broiled enough, therefor it was not kashered. I also know that you are Y.S.
Either the ads on 5 Times Jewish Times website are computer generated or Larry Gordon has lost his mind. I saw today an ad for Porgy & Bess, the Broadway musical about shvartza romance. The ad shows an undressed woman. Did you know by the way that Larry became Pinny Lipschutz's best friend when they collaborated to put together the Rubashkin fund raiser in the White Shul? A nice chunk of the funds raised must have gone directly to Larry's pocket for the full page ads.
Tue Jan 24, 08:43:00 AM 2012
Aye Spotlight. Where does the Queens Vaad come in here? Comon, you know they are in this loop also. Please, please tell us.
Anyone know if he's legit?
Just another "Spolight on the Queens Vaad" guy.
No name. No address. No phone. No mench. Non person.
Ah Zoo Cheftza. (We already send to EY Poskim - there are only 2 - to find out if one has to make 'meshaaneh Habri'ous' on Spotlight (& his chevra).
The reaction to Rav Scheinberg amongst poskim & gedolim has varied from outrage & condemnation to limud zchus that he is either partially senile or is affected by almost never sleeping.
This is UOJ & SPotlight's propoganda.
Shoot down another posek and Godol Hador that did not join their AGENDA CLUB.
You can only name & shame people who criticize or compete with the Queens Vaad.
You 100% right, Spotlight.
You, and only you, know the truth.
I am not Rabbi Shain and let me reword what I said.
Meal Mart did sell unkashered which is fine if they tell you it is unkashered that must be broiled. They did that too but then goofed by writing other misleading things on the package that led people to assume it was already kashered.
I did not mean to write that they sold kashered liver.
http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/blog/152508/12/01/11/consumers-critical-control-point-190-sickened-multistate-outbreak-human-salmone
This explains exactly what happened.
Fact Checker
#1- anonymous never said they were unkashered liver; he said they were not kashered properly.
#2- jackobowitz and the nirabator are always trying to cut corners.
#3- why do you always stick up for R' Teitelbaum ????????????????
If you are supposed to broil the liver yourself at home, then how is the Nirbater shuldiks for not kashering properly?
fact checker (y s ) the label says BROILED !!!!!!!! obviously it wasn't broiled enough. i.e. NOT KASHERED ENOUGH
"Shoot down another posek and Godol Hador that did not join their AGENDA CLUB"
Chaimel has it backwards. HE will never put up with any gadol hador getting in the way of HIS agendas at the Agudah and paradoxically at the modern orthodox controlled organizations of KVH Boston & Queens Vaad.
That's why he doesn't give a hoot that Rav Elyashev came out against the Queens Vaad rippig up kivrei yesomim for profit. And that's why he stands behind those saying a molester is allowed to ruin children for life. The "only" problem with that is that it goes against kol haTorah kulah. And it doesn't matter how many layers of tzitzis you are wearing when you say such outrages.
"it goes against kol haTorah kulah"
Only Spotlight (& UOJ) know 'kol haTorah kulah' (& MAYBE maybe REY - if he says the "right' thing)). Anyone
else is botel keafrah d'spotlight.
The yeshivishe maniac Chaimel has all the non-terutzim to defend child molesters and by extension the corrupt organizations he represents.
Ever heard of pikuach nefesh? There may have been some mention of that in your yeshivos.
Sanhedrin 73a, bases the chiyuv to save someone under attack on Devorim perek 22 & Lo saamod al dam rayecha (Vayikra 19:16), which is mechayev even to pay money to hire people to do it. The Rambam poskens like this in Hilchos Rotzeiach 1: 14. UOJ is one of the only people who does this which leads Chaimel to mock him.
Lefi the Rambam, Lo saamod requires a person to exhaust all means to save the person - including calling the police.
One who has information to report and fails to do so is oyver on Lo saamod (Aruch Hashulchan, Choshen Mishpat 28:4 al pi Sifra) and zogt der Rambam in Hilchos Edus 1:1: "Im lo yagid venoso avono" (Vayikra 5:1).
It's only in dinei mammonus the eid can wait until they are mazmin, in anderra inyanim the eid must come forward on his own (Kesef Mishna) altz "Ubiarta Hora mikirbecha." (Piskei HaRosh reish Makkos)
A child must be removed from his home if he is in danger of abuse. The well being of the child supersedes any right parents may claim. The Ramoh holds that the general rule placing daughters in the custody of their mothers is because it's in the child's best interest. Even if removal from the parent's home would lead to the child's placement in an institution which is not shomer Torah (although one must attempt to ensure that placement is in a frum environment if possible), the reporter is not oyver on Lifnei iveir. (Ayein od bekuntress "Takkonos Banim Mukkim al yedei HaHorim" from R' Gedalia Aharon Rabinowitz)
Shu"t Kiryas Channah, (R' Gershon Koblentz of Metz, printed 1685), #22, holds a rebbe financially liable for hezek the child incurs under his care, considering a rebbe's salary to be schar shimur. He learns that the mitzvah ptur from the rebbe-talmid relationship as described by the Mishnah Makkos 8a, applies only to golus and not to financial liability. Even though Shu"t Shevus Yaakov, in #140, disagrees, holding that the rebbe is >technically< pottur, he still says that as a matter of social welfare, the rebbe should be mechuyev for financial compensation. Lechol hadayos the rebbe should be removed from his talmidim. This is also begeder Lo saamod. Yeshivos kick out a rebbe who is mechalel Shabbos or even much less (Chaim Berlin fired Chaim Kaplan for taking his shiur to the zoo), so it would be absurd to refuse to remove a child molester from the shiur room. Are child molesters not in violation of the Torah as well? Not only must molesters be removed, but their identities must be made known throughout the entire system to prevent abuse of other children. It is proven that child molesters can't be cured.
A parent or rebbe who is mezaneh with a child hot a din rodef. (Rav Elyashev) This designation as rodef is mechayev even killing him if that is the only way to prevent him from committing a sexual assault. (Choshen Mishpat 425:3-4) Then, avadda one must do everything possible to guarantee that children are protected from the abuser. He is considered a rodef because of the psychological trauma and depression he causes to the victims that destroys them for life. (Rav Wosner & Dayan Sillman in Bnei Brak) Additional chiyuvim to rescue abused children: "Hochayach tochiach" (Vayikra 19:16) al pi Rambam hilchos dayos 6:6-7, "Ve'ohavta lerayacha komocha" (sham 6:3), "Lifnei iveir" al pi Rambam hilchos rotzeiach 12:14, and the Torahdik chiyuv to remove potential dangers from our homes (Kesubos 41b). This is the Gemara with kelev ra which could explain Chaimel's obsession with "daas kelovim".
Wed Jan 25, 11:59:00 AM 2012
As stated above:
Only Spotlight (& UOJ) know 'kol haTorah kulah' (& MAYBE maybe REY - if he says the "right' thing)). Anyone
else is botel keafrah d'spotlight.
Thank you Spotlight, UOJ & JBAC.
What Rabbonim, who know more then you, decide is grounds for nivu peh etc. But what IIIIIIIII say (with help from Bar Ilan - nebach) Thats shpitz psak, tzidkus, and frumkeit.
Just like Mendelson in the 1800's
Chaimel sounds exactly like that other moron from the Agudah, Wachsmann, who got up to shrey at the fresser convention that no one can listen to any gedolim or poskim unless the loser Agudahnik sekreterren tell you it's ok. What a bunch of hypocrites they are. Chaimel is also a liar as always because Bar Ilan was mentioned to make fun of HIM but he spins it around to say his opponents hold of Bar Ilan, chas vesholom.
Several rabbonim & roshei yeshiva say that particular fresser convention was the dumbest ever. All the Agudah stupidly did was devote the whole weekend to bashing UOJ. And since the target audience was mostly ignorant of UOJ and the internet in general, all the Agudah managed to do was stoke everyone's curiousity to look up UOJ's blog the first opportunity they had.
Great work, geniuses!
UOJ Nielson rating just sky-rocketed and the ad rates were just raised.
Chalomes. Dream on.
Idiot, anyone working in I.T. has tools that measure web traffic and even people who hate UOJ admit he had very heavy traffic on his site. That's why Margulies, Belsky, Agudah and so many others were desperate to get him shut down, even hiring hackers to illegally do it.
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